is manny pacman pacquiao a top 50 all time great fighter??

[Left Hook Tua]

Joan Guzman. please explain why that fight has not happened. No. Gooz did not outprice himself.

guzman has only really fought 3 solid opponents. soto , agapito and barrios.

soto was a great win but that was just recently.

agapito and barrios are solid wins but nothing to write home about.

when manny was 126 , guz was still 122.

manny has only been in what 8 fights at 130?

5 of those were against barrera , marquez and morales.

any fighter would've taken the bigger name and bigger money fights with those 3 over guzman.

let guzman win his belt at 135 then talk about manny ducking him.

might want to tell joan to get a ko as well. spectacular ko's make the news and get your name out there. he hasn't had one in 4-5 years.

[shadeyfizzle]

Joan Guzman. please explain why that fight has not happened. No. Gooz did not outprice himself.

I remember an old ring magazine article from when Pac's promotional rights were frozen out that Guzman would have made the best interim opponent but he was already scheduled to fight Barrios?? i think it was so they opted for Larios

[machotime]

Agreed. Mayweather was great at 130 and 135 but at 140, 147 and 154 he stopped fighting the best and picked opponents he knew he could beat while making the most money. I respect Manny more as a fighter because Manny has been fighting killers throughout his career and beating them. Yeah he has some losses but comes with the territory of fighting the best something Mayweather wanted no part of in his career from 140 on.

The truth has been spoken....Well said.

[Left Hook Tua]

Just keep in mind: it's not as if the guys who beat pac are world-beaters.

1 loss to erik morales an atg.

his other 2 was how long ago? and it was at 112.

people say it was due to the weight drain. losing his belt at the weight scales backs it up.

the fact that he's lost once since jumping from 112 to 122 , 126 and 130 , might give the weight drain excuse a little substance.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I remember an old ring magazine article from when Pac's promotional rights were frozen out that Guzman would have made the best interim opponent but he was already scheduled to fight Barrios?? i think it was so they opted for Larios

After Pac beat Soto, he was begging for Pac. What's up?

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

Just keep in mind: it's not as if the guys who beat pac are world-beaters.

Your putting too much emphasis on his losses early in his career. He isn't the fighter he was back then. This happens alot with countries who are severely poor and kids become professionals in order to make bread. Mexico is a good example of this. Your putting too much emphasis on an undefeated record. With every record you have to look at the competition and the context. He was young and didn't have an amateur career just went straight to pro. That alone should allow you to disregard those losses. Thats why alot of great Mexican fighters have losses early in their career.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

1 loss to erik morales an atg.

his other 2 was how long ago? and it was at 112.

people say it was due to the weight drain. losing his belt at the weight scales backs it up.

the fact that he's lost once since jumping from 112 to 122 , 126 and 130 , might give the weight drain excuse a little substance.

Which validates my statement that Pac and Floyd have been / are close to the same size. it's just that Manny dries out to fight smaller guys.

[Left Hook Tua]

I remember an old ring magazine article from when Pac's promotional rights were frozen out that Guzman would have made the best interim opponent but he was already scheduled to fight Barrios?? i think it was so they opted for Larios

plus larios , like solis and velazquez , were tuneups. not bad for tuneups right?

the guy fights 3 times a year. 1 has to be a softie.

everyone always talks about picking the weakest link at 135 to fight.

it's his first fight jumping to a new weight class. a major org beltholder is not bad for testing a new weight division.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Your putting too much emphasis on his losses early in his career. He isn't the fighter he was back then. This happens alot with countries who are severely poor and kids become professionals in order to make bread. Mexico is a good example of this. Your putting too much emphasis on and undefeated record. With every record you have to look at the competition and the context. He was young and didn't have an amateur career just went straight to pro. That alone should allow you to disregard those losses. Thats why alot of great Mexican fighters have losses early in their career.

No. I am equating manny's early pro losses to mayweather's amateur losses.

I agree that fighters need to develop. And losing is often part of that process early on.

[shadeyfizzle]

Just keep in mind: it's not as if the guys who beat pac are world-beaters.

Its a fighting sport. Upsets are part of the game. There wasnt supposed to be any way in hell Pacquiao could beat Barrera in 03 either coming up a weight to challenge while Barrera was on the most prolific win streak of his career