Calzaghe wanted Pavlik... until he got him.

[Soundtraveler]

What is untrue? Calzaghe wanted him.... got him... and now... doesn't want him. That's not my opinion. That's reality. You follow a phony. Deal with it.

When you are right, you are right.

Even with solid video taped PROOF from Joes' own mouth that he would like to move down in weight and fight Pavlik or Taylor because either one would be BIG fights, the Calzaghe fans will not admit that their "Mighty Joe" is in reality -- MIGHTY SCARED -- of Kelly Pavlik.

And why is that?

Because Enzoe heard Pavliks' punches land as he beat down Lockett. After seeing Pavlik destroy one of his own fighters, one that HE trained, Enzoe knew immediately Joe would lose his precious "0". That's the bottom line, it's not about money, it's about the friggin "0" !!!

I don't care if his record is 100-0, if a fighter faces 97 bums, it doesn't count for diddly squat in my book....

[abadger]

So Joe once said he wouldn't mind a fight with Kelly Pavlik? Wow. How many times, before and after that quote has he also said he'd like to fight RJJ? Yet again you people are just seeing what you want to see when it comes to Calzaghe.

You all talk as though Kelly Pavlik is the incredible terrifying opponent who Joe should be scared of. He isn't, he's a slow, predictable, but hard hitting newish middleweight champion, who just so happens to have the honour of having most US boxing fans aboard his hype train.

Those of you who state so confidently that Calzaghe is ducking Pavlik, and even worse, that Calzaghe needs to "prove himself" by beating Pavlik just embarass me. The only people it would prove anything too are those of you who don't know the first thing about boxing and assume without question that the latest US golden boy is automatically a stern test for the (yes, yes) undefeated, two weight Ring champ Calzaghe. He isn't. I would have thought some of you would have learned your lesson with Jeff Lacy, but no.

Two things about this make me sad. 1) That so called boxing fans are so anti-Calzaghe that they allow a desire to see him lose to cloud everything they say about him, and 2) that these same 'fans' actually know so little about boxing that they pick Kelly Pavlik as the man to beat him, because he's the guy they've seen on TV recently.

If you lot really, really want to see a fight in which there is a chance of Calzaghe losing, I suggest you start clamouring for him to fight Chad Dawson who is a much better boxer then Kelly Pavlik is ever going to be. If you actually know who he is.

[ALT-Assassin]

So Joe once said he wouldn't mind a fight with Kelly Pavlik? Wow. How many times, before and after that quote has he also said he'd like to fight RJJ? Yet again you people are just seeing what you want to see when it comes to Calzaghe.

You all talk as though Kelly Pavlik is the incredible terrifying opponent who Joe should be scared of. He isn't, he's a slow, predictable, but hard hitting newish middleweight champion, who just so happens to have the honour of having most US boxing fans aboard his hype train.

Those of you who state so confidently that Calzaghe is ducking Pavlik, and even worse, that Calzaghe needs to "prove himself" by beating Pavlik just embarass me. The only people it would prove anything too are those of you who don't know the first thing about boxing and assume without question that the latest US golden boy is automatically a stern test for the (yes, yes) undefeated, two weight Ring champ Calzaghe. He isn't. I would have thought some of you would have learned your lesson with Jeff Lacy, but no.

Two things about this make me sad. 1) That so called boxing fans are so anti-Calzaghe that they allow a desire to see him lose to cloud everything they say about him, and 2) that these same 'fans' actually know so little about boxing that they pick Kelly Pavlik as the man to beat him, because he's the guy they've seen on TV recently.

If you lot really, really want to see a fight in which there is a chance of Calzaghe losing, I suggest you start clamouring for him to fight Chad Dawson who is a much better boxer then Kelly Pavlik is ever going to be. If you actually know who he is.

Maybe they only post anti-Calzaghe threads because they know it hurts you deep down inside.Mayweather could of most likely beat Cotto,but yet they still cry about him ducking.

[lfcdynasty]

LMFAO!!!!!! listen to you restards, wat are you guys like 10?

Who da *** is lockett???? no1 in britain even knows who tha **** he is, and you guys are acting like pavlik has achieved something.

I read a great article about joe regarding this subject on ESboxing just yesterday. Im probably only going to use their forums from now on. As much as i love the main boxingscene site, this forum is full of complete morons who are only good for one thing... laughing at

Face it, at present NORTH American boxing is in a sorry state. Perhaps you guys should should start aiming your assaults a little closer to home.

seriously though, i really think some of you guys would be better suited as MMA fans kuz you know *** all about the sweet science.


Kessler>>Abraham>>Pavlik

[Guest]

This whole "joe is ducking Moby" theory (of which this is the 3456th thread) only has any real validity if you believe that Moby is a genuinely great boxer and a serious threat to The Blow.

[mojack]

Are the ******s moaning again??

"When will Calzaghe fight Kessler? he's ducking Kessler"
"When will Calzaghe come over to the states and fight Hopkins, he's ducking Hopkins"
"When will Calzaghe fight Roy Jones??" he's fighting Roy Jones
"When will Calzaghe fight Pavlik"

For ****s sake, what's next..who else do you want Calzaghe to fight? because it doesn't matter..because they'll get beat...and they'll be another never ending list of boxers you'd want to fight Calzaghe, **** stabbers.

[mojack]

Are the ******s moaning again??

"When will Calzaghe fight Kessler? he's ducking Kessler"
"When will Calzaghe come over to the states and fight Hopkins, he's ducking Hopkins"
"When will Calzaghe fight Roy Jones??" he's fighting Roy Jones
"When will Calzaghe fight Pavlik"

For ****s sake, what's next..who else do you want Calzaghe to fight? because it doesn't matter who your little lists....because they'll get beat.

**** stabbers.

[Franko]

It's hilarious how NO calzaghe fans are posting on this thread.

First of all, i don't blame Calzaghe for wanting to make as much money as he can before he retires, and whether we like it or not he is still making that money against creditable opponents i.e. Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Junior. Obviously both of those fighters are far past their best, but would Joe make as much or more money fighting Pavlik, or Froch? ...
No he wouldn't.
Although Calzaghe's last two fights (one still to be confirmed) have been purely about Money in my opinion, it was also important to have wins over Hopkins and Jones Junior on his record, but when looking back at Joe Calzaghe's career in years to come, will there be much emphasis placed on wins over two 'past it' legends of the sport? ... I think not. Creditable opponents, yes, but nowhere near what they once were. I think Joe will get a lot more credit for his wins over Lacy and Kessler, and rightly so, because they were legimitate threats, and opinion was divided pretty much 50-50 when Calzaghe faced both of those fighters.
Personally i would prefer Joe Calzaghe to face either Froch or Pavlik in his last fight, but i don't think he's ducking either of them in fear of losing his undefeated record. I think that the financial package isn't right for facing either of them, when he could be getting much more for facing Roy Jones Junior in his last fight. However, i think Jones Junior can still represent a threat to Joe because if Hopkins can put Joe down then surely Jones Junior is capable of upsetting Joe's game plan. I just hope that making this fight for the money doesn't backfire on Joe.

[Franko]

I have pointed out numerous times Joe expressed a desire to fight Pavlik BEFORE he fights Jones. I posted a video thread a while back, where you here the words straight from the horses mouth. Listen to Joe at 7:45 of this vid, where he is asked if he wants Jones, and says explicitly "I'm more interested in fighting Pavlik to be honest". This is before his **** performance against Hopkins of course, and the demolition of Gary Lockett. His tune has changed quite a bit, hasn't it? All the bull**** Enzo and Joe saying "Pavlik doesn't deserve the fight with Joe", gimme a ****ing break. Two months ago they were all gung ho about a Pavlik fight, until they realized Joe can't even beat a 43 year old convincingly, and realized up close how good Pavlik really is...

So you're claiming that Joe Calzaghe is avoiding Pavlik based on his demolition of Gary Lockett? Who's Gary Lockett ever fought to give him credence as a creditable opponent for Pavlik... Ryan Rhodes? I don't think so.
Calzaghe would have made short work of Lockett had he fought him, but you criticise him for not being at his best against Bernard Hopkins!!!
Although Hopkins is past his best he is still very capable of making any fighter look bad, and Joe isn't used to going looking for a fighter, but he had to do that against Hopkins.
As i stated in my last post, Joe Calzaghe's last fight has been made to generate as much money as possible. I have absolutely no doubt about that, and i have no doubt that Joe or Enzo Calzaghe don't fear losing an undefeated record against Kelly Pavlik, and i pick the best Super Middleweight in the World to beat the best middleweight in the world, no problem. Let's not forget how close Jermain Taylor came to beating Pavlik, and Taylor isn't half the fighter that Calzaghe is in my opinion.
Add to the fact that Calzaghe has outclassed two opponents who were labelled as legitimate dangers to his undefeated record in Lacy and Kessler and it kind of makes the assumption that Calzaghe is ducking Pavlik look ******.

[Pullcounter]

If he chose to fight Pavlik people would say he ducked Jones. People these days.

no one in their right ****in mind would ever say that