If Roy beats Calzaghe........

[Kris Silver]

No matter how much you try to say otherwise, the bottom line is if Joe Calzaghe retires undefeated, his best wins will be over a 43yr old and a 40yr old. You guys better hope Kessler does something decent with the remainder of his career or that win will look less and less significant. Like Lacy.

You mean no matter how decent and objective someone describes why Hopkins and Roy were SOME of his top wins, but had others too, some including YOU won't accept otherwise. That's called closed minded dude. I'm open to being persuaded based on decent detailed arguments and info, and you don't seem to be.

Hopkins was #1 LHW and was regarded by most as being so, out of all of the other LHW's out there young or old, per a poll on here awhile ago even aswell. Roy will be 39 and Joe 36 when they fight, yes Roys got some more mileage, but 3 years isn't massive. So that leaves the age excuses somewhat more objectively outlined.

Kessler was a great win for Joe, is undoubtedly the #2 SMW and will be #1 after Joe's retired, so pretty much is now really. He's favoured to be tight fights for Pavlik, Abraham, Tarver, Dawson, and many other elites, in polls even on here from a high % of American posters. You clearly your just dismissive and cynical on him as much as you are Joe sometimes.

Despite excuses on Lacy being overrated conveniently, he's still #5 SMW, and is favoured to do ok against Taylor all of a sudden. Plus say what you like, he was per the team and most people in and outside of boxing, un-expectedly completely given a boxing lesson by Calzaghe like few other fights in the past.

Eubank may have been a little past his prime but for a young in-experienced Calzaghe to put him down with his first punch when Nigel Benn couldn't in 2 fights, and win a clear UD over 12 rounds when never going past 8 before, is impressive. Beating clearly top 10 SMW's in Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, Reid, and Brewer are also pretty decent wins, considering also the complete one sidedness Joe beat most of them in.

[IMDAZED]

You mean no matter how decent and objective someone describes why Hopkins and Roy were SOME of his top wins, but had others too, some including YOU won't accept otherwise. That's called closed minded dude. I'm open to being persuaded based on decent detailed arguments and info, and you don't seem to be.

Hopkins was #1 LHW and was regarded by most as being so, out of all of the other LHW's out there young or old, per a poll on here awhile ago even aswell. Roy will be 39 and Joe 36 when they fight, yes Roys got some more mileage, but 3 years isn't massive. So that leaves the age excuses somewhat more objectively outlined.

Kessler was a great win for Joe, is undoubtedly the #2 SMW and will be #1 after Joe's retired, so pretty much is now really. He's favoured to be tight fights for Pavlik, Abraham, Tarver, Dawson, and many other elites, in polls even on here from a high % of American posters. You clearly your just dismissive and cynical on him as much as you are Joe sometimes.

Despite excuses on Lacy being overrated conveniently, he's still #5 SMW, and is favoured to do ok against Taylor all of a sudden. Plus say what you like, he was per the team and most people in and outside of boxing, un-expectedly completely given a boxing lesson by Calzaghe like few other fights in the past.

Eubank may have been a little past his prime but for a young in-experienced Calzaghe to put him down with his first punch when Nigel Benn couldn't in 2 fights, and win a clear UD over 12 rounds when never going past 8 before, is impressive. Beating clearly top 10 SMW's in Sheika, Woodhall, Veit, Reid, and Brewer are also pretty decent wins, considering also the complete one sidedness Joe beat most of them in.

Kris, I think you know your stuff but each post from you is like a novel. It's good sometimes but my post didn't require this long a response. I don't even know if I have it in me to even break it all down even though I disagree.

[Kris Silver]

Kris, I think you know your stuff but each post from you is like a novel. It's good sometimes but my post didn't require this long a response. I don't even know if I have it in me to even break it all down even though I disagree.

You said the bottom line of Calzaghe's career is his best wins are over 40 year old Hops and Roy. I could be shorter, but the opposites true of you sometimes, i.e. your statements was overly, and overtly simplistic.

I shouldn't have bitten quite so much ok. But countering a fundamental simple statement like that with decent reasons can't be as short as that especially over an 11 year career, that's all.

[Mizzou]

You said the bottom line of Calzaghe's career is his best wins are over 40 year old Hops and Roy. I could be shorter, but the opposites true of you sometimes, i.e. your statements was overly, and overtly simplistic.

I shouldn't have bitten quite so much ok. But countering a fundamental simple statement like that with decent reasons can't be as short as that especially over an 11 year career, that's all.

People with great resumes: Micheal Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali, Joe Louis, etc etc, don't have to defend their resumes, ever. These arguments don't ever happen like they CONSTANTLY do with calzaghe nuthuggers. Deep down all of you know he has a weak ass resume and that's why you all write paragraph after paragraph trying to defend Joe and his resume. His legacy in Britain is secured, people love him there. In America and the rest of the boxing world every one knows what Joe Calzaghe is: a very good fighter, not great, who at all cost set up fights to preserve a undefeated record which he sees as "hallowed" and "immortal."

[oldgringo]

:roy4: all over :roy4: my tv :roy4:

hahahahaaaa....that ****s hilarious. awww....they didn't show up. anyway, those little roy/wank things crack me up.

[GreatestIam]

If Roy can beat Joe it will be a monumental shift in his career, same if he loses. Roy's career is on the line in this fight people.. and a loss to Calzaghe would be bigger then his losses to Johnson and Tarver! A win however would make him the what LHW and SMW champ or did Joe Drop a belt?!? Anyway a win would make him so much more relevent if he has those belts.. We Know he wont retire for a while so.. lets ****ing get ready for the Roy Jones show 2008 I predict he Kos Joe in 8.... He will be masterful in this fight!

[MWMerlino]

People with great resumes: Micheal Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali, Joe Louis, etc etc, don't have to defend their resumes, ever. These arguments don't ever happen like they CONSTANTLY do with calzaghe nuthuggers. Deep down all of you know he has a weak ass resume and that's why you all write paragraph after paragraph trying to defend Joe and his resume. His legacy in Britain is secured, people love him there. In America and the rest of the boxing world every one knows what Joe Calzaghe is: a very good fighter, not great, who at all cost set up fights to preserve a undefeated record which he sees as "hallowed" and "immortal."

Absolutely, and thats why Jones is fighting Calzaghe, because he doesn't want there to be any room to argue about his ATG status and Calzaghe isn't interested in doing that.

[IMDAZED]

You said the bottom line of Calzaghe's career is his best wins are over 40 year old Hops and Roy. I could be shorter, but the opposites true of you sometimes, i.e. your statements was overly, and overtly simplistic.

I shouldn't have bitten quite so much ok. But countering a fundamental simple statement like that with decent reasons can't be as short as that especially over an 11 year career, that's all.

His best wins are over:

A 43yr old Bernard Hopkins. I repeat...43.

Mikkel Kessler. A solid, young champ but not a great ANYTHING by any means - unless beating Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer make you great. It doesn't. And unless Kessler goes on to do other things, this win will diminish in significance. Kind like...

Jeff Lacy. A fighter who has gone on to do absolutely nil, and really hadn't done much beforehand. They say hindsight is 20/20. Well, now that we can see clearly, we know now that Lacy wasn't much (although some of us knew then).

Feel free to hype up Calzaghe's win over Eubank but don't try to tell me he did something Benn couldn't do...FOUR YEARS BEFORE.

[Kris Silver]

People with great resumes: Micheal Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali, Joe Louis, etc etc, don't have to defend their resumes, ever. These arguments don't ever happen like they CONSTANTLY do with calzaghe nuthuggers. Deep down all of you know he has a weak ass resume and that's why you all write paragraph after paragraph trying to defend Joe and his resume. His legacy in Britain is secured, people love him there. In America and the rest of the boxing world every one knows what Joe Calzaghe is: a very good fighter, not great, who at all cost set up fights to preserve a undefeated record which he sees as "hallowed" and "immortal."

Never said he had a great resume or should be compared with Ali or Louis, that's obvious. I do think he gets too much criticism, but to be fair others do, even Mayweather and Jones thread recently many said they fought a lot of weak hand picked competition, didn't take risks. It's more commonly discussed when the boxers are active too.

Most Joe fans do not accept he's go a weak resume, that's quite an arrogant think to say. Many do think he has an ok-good resume, and don't make out otherwise, I certainly don't. Clearly it's interpretation, I once fought some of his wins were against weak competition because I didn't recognise the names but on looking into it, watching the fights, I though they weren't bad. That's all dude, not saying great resume. And great fighter, well yes sorry I think he is, how many not great fighters get to p4p #2? He's SMW and LHW #1, above the likes of Kessler, Tarver, and Dawson.

[Easy-E]

Absolutely, and thats why Jones is fighting Calzaghe, because he doesn't want there to be any room to argue about his ATG status and Calzaghe isn't interested in doing that.

That is true, there is a undefeated, hungry middleweight champion out there waiting in the wings for Joe and he goes for back to back fights with over 40, faded champions.