Is Manny Pacquiao a DRAW?

[ferocity]

what does moving up in weight have to do with anything? erik kept moving up because he is the biggest of the bunch. marco and manny had to follow him for the money. fighting guys at 122 and jumping to 130 earlier than juan ma gave those guys a few more big names as well.

Marco and Manny followed for the money, Manny then had to move up cause he is bigger then Morales was.

which opponent could beat marquez? very few.

lmao, you can't even name one, lol.

you're missing my point i'm not saying juan ma couldn't do what erik and marco did. my point is he didn't. i'm not saying it was his fault either. guys were wary of fighting juan ma and that hurt him. but that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have as many solid to big names as erik and marco! if he had fought naseem like marco he would've beat naseem as well but the fact is he never beat naseem 'cause he never faced him. you can't say a guy is great because he WOULD HAVE beat this guy or that! you can only say a guy is great BECAUSE HE BEAT this guy or that.

out of the 4 other great feathers in the past era......hamed , marco , erik and manny. juanma i could only see beating pac or naseem. juan ma couldn't have beat erik and marco imo. i know you disagree but that's my opinion.

I know he again beat Manny, he'd beat Hammed but it'd be more dangerous then many think, Hamed was a great counter puncher but fell apart when he couldn't hurt you. He'd beat Hamed but it too would go 12 round and its difficult to say how the fight would go because of how Marquez changed up his style we know now.

I also think he'd have a tougher time beating a prime Morales then Marco. But, again its which Marco shows up the Marco before Jones or After, still i think he can maybe! beat Marco but it'd be a lot closer with Morales. Morales could have been a great boxer his skill set was great but he had a warrior mentality and later in his career gassed in the later rounds. You have to remember Morales had a lose coming into every Pacquiao fight.

as long as they have their dad's chin and toughness......they'll do okay. their old mad wasn't polished either but he wore guys down.

You must be a youngster. Check out Chavez older boxing matchs.

[ferocity]

i saw parts of the norwood fight. not the whole thing though.

did you think he looked good against freddie , feroz?

i know you're gonna say he should've won. you have a point if you do.

but my question is do you think he looked good?

marco and erik wouldn't have lost to john either.

I thought Marquez didn't look like himself, there were times he waited way too much this was when he was just the old calm Marquez. But yeah, i thought Marquez won.

Styles make fights, but i aggree Marco and Erik wouldn't have lost to John. But you have to see the John fight and you'll see that Marquez didn't lose either.

[Silencers]

I thought Marquez lost the Norwood fight clearly, I thought he won the John fight but it wasn't an outright robbery like some claimed it was because of the points deductions and some of those rounds were hard to score because it was 2 natural counterpunchers going at it.

One fight I thought Marquez should have lost was against Julian Wheeler, horrible stoppage.

[ferocity]

I thought Marquez lost the Norwood fight clearly, I thought he won the John fight but it wasn't an outright robbery like some claimed it was because of the points deductions and some of those rounds were hard to score because it was 2 natural counterpunchers going at it.

One fight I thought Marquez should have lost was against Julian Wheeler, horrible stoppage.

I haven't seen that fight.

Julian Wheeler lost to Roberto Garcia(future Ibf Champion from Oxnard) at 130.

Norwood looked surprised and very happy to have keep his title.

[Left Hook Tua]

Marco and Manny followed for the money, Manny then had to move up cause he is bigger then Morales was.




lmao, you can't even name one, lol.



I know he again beat Manny, he'd beat Hammed but it'd be more dangerous then many think, Hamed was a great counter puncher but fell apart when he couldn't hurt you. He'd beat Hamed but it too would go 12 round and its difficult to say how the fight would go because of how Marquez changed up his style we know now.

I also think he'd have a tougher time beating a prime Morales then Marco. But, again its which Marco shows up the Marco before Jones or After, still i think he can maybe! beat Marco but it'd be a lot closer with Morales. Morales could have been a great boxer his skill set was great but he had a warrior mentality and later in his career gassed in the later rounds. You have to remember Morales had a lose coming into every Pacquiao fight.






You must be a youngster. Check out Chavez older boxing matchs.

dude even when i agree with you , you argue with me! ha ha ha

geez , first i get heat from that ****** joartcc when i said manny doesn't have great boxing skills and now you call me a youngster for what i said about julio!

i'm 29. i'm not that young and i've been watching fights since i was a little kid with my dad. my dad was a big ali/leonard/elorde/louis/conn fan he use to take me to watch boxing in inglewood and would watch all his old boxing videos with me.

no need to insult me just because i disagree with you. or at least do it with some humor like i try to do.

i'll tell you what i told joartcc. my statement about manny , like with julio , is in comparison with guys on their level , i.e. the greats.

obviously julio sr. is very skilled compared to most (he did win 10,000 fights for god's sake) but his boxing skills were not as polished as some of the great boxing technicians that i compare him to. you don't compare a chavez to just anybody. he's a legend and you compare guys like that to the armstrongs , robinsons , leonards , esteban's , duran's , etc. of the world.

[Silencers]

I haven't seen that fight.

Julian Wheeler lost to Roberto Garcia(future Ibf Champion from Oxnard) at 130.

Norwood looked surprised and very happy to have keep his title.

Horrible stoppage in the 10th and final round for Marquez when Wheeler was clearly ahead in the fight.

Marquez wobbled Wheeler in the middle of the round forcing Wheeler to hold on, the referee separated them and Marquez went on the attack again, again Wheeler managed to hold on and seemed to have his legs back when the referee broke them up and called the fight off without any warning with about 10 seconds left in the fight. Horrible stoppage.

[Left Hook Tua]

I thought Marquez didn't look like himself, there were times he waited way too much this was when he was just the old calm Marquez. But yeah, i thought Marquez won.

Styles make fights, but i aggree Marco and Erik wouldn't have lost to John. But you have to see the John fight and you'll see that Marquez didn't lose either.

i only saw parts of the john fight. i'll take your word that it could've/should've gone marquez's way. from the clips and parts of the john fight i'm not really jumping at the chance to buy a dvd of it.

[shadeyfizzle]

Who gets hit more offensive boxers or defensive boxers?

That counter punch was nothing skilled it was just a boxers reaction to an opening in a fight. If it was skilled he would have used the shoulder in that punch but he didn't think it was going kd Marquez, which is why he had the other hand close to his chin, lol.

You sure nuthug Marquez alot and find ways to justify your biased opinion.

There are defensive fighters like winky and Casamayor that dont get ****ed up when they go into offensive mode the way Marquez does..

I find it funny you think there is no skill involved with the way Pacquiao knocked down Marquez in the 2nd fight but seeing Marquez use the exact same combination which failed to produce a kd just 1 round earlier and it was technique at its finest.

I hear you were a former fighter and as 1 you should know damn well that there are plenty of openings you see but dont pull the trigger on because you expose yourself to combos and counters.

[Silencers]

i only saw parts of the john fight. i'll take your word that it could've/should've gone marquez's way. from the clips and parts of the john fight i'm not really jumping at the just to buy a dvd of it.

Don't buy it, wasn't very entertaining, they were both trying to make the other lead so they could counterpunch which led to a pretty dull fight.

[Left Hook Tua]

Don't buy it, wasn't very entertaining, they were both trying to make the other lead so they could counterpunch which led to a pretty dull fight.

don't worry. i wasn't planning on it. ha ha ha

i don't think the john-marquez fight would go well with my trinidad-vargas , ali-frazier , louis-conn , marciano-walcott , tua-ibeabuchi , gatti-ward , holyfield-bowe , barrera-morales dvd collection. :-)