Is Manny Pacquiao a DRAW?

[warp1432]

JCC Jr. doesn't do the numbers Pacquiao does, I don't think his PPVs exceed 100,000 in sales. JCC Jr. is living off his name anyway.

Pacquiao is expected to do at least 200,000 to 300,000k plus selling out the arena.

Yeah true, I was just being a smartass. However, I repeated the word "then" twice and so it makes me seem like a dumbass

[LOLORSKATES]

lol one dimensional, what a ****ing idiot... Norwood didnt want to even fight, he kept running... Marquez changed his style against Jaca, Terdsack and Barrera to please the crowd cause his style wasnt getting him any fans, educate yourself dumb ****.

There are a lot of good boxers who don't take nearly as many punches trying to knock a guy out. Do you notice that whenever Marquez opens up and fights that kind of style, he usually gets either knocked down or cut or stunned?

There is a reason he doesn't elect to fight that style much, it doesn't suit him well.

Norwood was countering the counterpuncher, and when Marquez was unable to make a guy come to him and open up, he finds himself on the wrong side of counters.

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Thanks.

It may sound a little crazy, but Marquez is a one-dimensional fighter against the top fighters.

He's primarily a counter puncher, which is why he had so much trouble with Freddie Norwood and even an older Barrera. Those guys were also counterpunchers and both put him down when he was trying to create his own offense without the counters.

Whenever he would stick his nose in there and try to create his own offense against lesser fighters like Jimrex Jaca and Terdsak, he wound up coming out looking like he'd been through a coffee grinder.

For Marquez to look great, he has to be in with a Manny Pacquiao that he can exploit with counter-punching.

This is true, Marquez is a natural counterpuncher, faced against another counterpuncher, he doesn't look nearly as good as he does against a guy that comes right at him being aggressive and leaving openings for him to exploit.

This is the reason why I think Casamayor will give him trouble when they match up.

And when he's not a great offensive fighter, when he goes on the offense, he leaves himself open for opponents to counter him.

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Yeah true, I was just being a smartass. However, I repeated the word "then" twice and so it makes me seem like a dumbass

I didn't even notice the thens lol. It's all good.

[LOLORSKATES]

This is true, Marquez is a natural counterpuncher, faced against another counterpuncher, he doesn't look nearly as good as he does against a guy that comes right at him being aggressive and leaving openings for him to exploit.

This is the reason why I think Casamayor will give him trouble when they match up.

Plus Casamayor is a stronger guy. Let's be real, guys with Marquez's style usually don't do well when they move up in weight. You can't just stand in front of bigger fighters and try to pick them off without foot movement.

[shadeyfizzle]

lol one dimensional, what a ****ing idiot... Norwood didnt want to even fight, he kept running... Marquez changed his style against Jaca, Terdsack and Barrera to please the crowd cause his style wasnt getting him any fans, educate yourself dumb ****.

He's the 1 educating you. He's right dumbass. Marquez has NO offense. Whenever he tries to go on the attack against even no namers he gets ****ed up. He needed a Pacquiao who would bring the offensive aggression to play into his strength. And even then he got owned at his own game gettin knocked flat by a counter. What a 1dimensional fighter. What exposure

[warp1432]

very good points. i didn't see it that way.

Except Klitchsko was legititamately stopped by Lewis due to a cut, the 2 pacquiao fights could/should have been scored for Marquez (at least the second fight imo).

edit: Oh and I thought Marquez clearly beat Barrera. It was a close, but clear type fight.

[Left Hook Tua]

Unskilled at the championship level?

Oh cmon. This has gotta be too ****** even for you.

So you calling a Gayweather running for 12 rounds against a vastly outclassed Baldomir skill at the championsip level?

It's an obvious fallacy.

The ability to slip punches behind a defense that is well set is a skill.

COMMON SENSE.

And fighters with no skill don't get compared to Muhammad Ali dude.

******? thanks.

that's a compliment coming from you. that's like being called ignorant by a kkk clansman.

i'm talking about boxing skills not overall skills. the level manny is in right now is comparable to say a henry armstrong or roberto duran.

manny is a very good fighter. great power. great handspeed. durable chin.

but he has bad balance and up to the point of the 2nd morales fight was somewhat one-dimensional. he is improving but one could hardly say he has great boxing skills.

he's our filipino version of henry armstrong or sugar ray robinson. his resume is great and depending on what he does at 135 or even 140 his legacy could be up there with them. that doesn't mean he has as good boxing skills as those guys. to be even compared to those guys is a major compliment.

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Plus Casamayor is a stronger guy. Let's be real, guys with Marquez's style usually don't do well when they move up in weight. You can't just stand in front of bigger fighters and try to pick them off without foot movement.

I've always said that Marquez looks filled out at 130 and I am not sure how effective he would be at 135 against bigger guys because the extra weight could make him slower and his power will diminish because he wasn't that great a power puncher at 130.

He needs speed and power to make his style effective so a fight with Casamayor could end badly for him, even though Casamayor's age is a factor too.

[shadeyfizzle]

manny is a very good fighter. great power. great handspeed. durable chin.

but he has bad balance and up to the point of the 2nd morales fight was somewhat one-dimensional. he is improving but one could hardly say he has great boxing skills.

he's our filipino version of henry armstrong or sugar ray robinson. his resume is great and depending on what he does at 135 or even 140 his legacy could be up there with them. that doesn't mean he has as good boxing skills as those guys. to be even compared to those guys is a major compliment.

Manny's skills are vastly underrated. He's a much better boxer than people give him credit for. The 2nd Morales fight turned around when Manny went to the body. Marquez went down from a counter. In the 1st Barrera fight he hurt Barrera with uppercuts. Not bad for a 1dimensional fighter