Is Manny Pacquiao a DRAW?

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So then that makes JCC jr. a huge draw then?

JCC Jr. doesn't do the numbers Pacquiao does, I don't think his PPVs exceed 100,000 in sales. JCC Jr. is living off his name anyway.

Pacquiao is expected to do at least 200,000 to 300,000k plus selling out the arena.

[KnockoutTheFat]

nah...... better analogy is chris byrd.

boring. technically proficient. not a big draw. lack of big name fights because of being avoided. got a vacant title fighting an old man.

......and lost his biggest fights.

The reason I say this is because his fights always end up in this result: WOULD'VE, COULD'VE, SHOULD'VE. He would've beat Norwood in a rematch (and apparently to some he should've won the fight), he should've defeated Chris John, and he could've beaten Manny Pacquiao. The thing is it didn't happen, just like Vitali Klitschko would've beaten Lennox Lewis in a rematch, he should've won the Lewis fight if it wasn't for the cut, and he could've unified the HW titles. It didn't happen.

Just like Vitali Klitschko, JMM is the king of virtual reality fights.

[Left Hook Tua]

Prime JuanMa was the JuanMa who chickened out of a Pac rematch then fought for 30k in Indonesia.

That's the prime JuanMa.

very true. very good point.

rebuttal , xcaret?

[JoartCC]

maybe a slight bit more technical and a better counterpuncher.

but that is not all that is needed in a fighter.

manny is one of the most unskilled championship-level fighters out there but his handspeed and punching power as well as being a southpaw makes him very effective.

sorry , xcaret. prime for prime juanma would get beat by marco and erik. probably get koed or tkoed by erik.

Unskilled at the championship level?

Oh cmon. This has gotta be too ****** even for you.

So you calling a Gayweather running for 12 rounds against a vastly outclassed Baldomir skill at the championsip level?

It's an obvious fallacy.

The ability to slip punches behind a defense that is well set is a skill.

COMMON SENSE.

And fighters with no skill don't get compared to Muhammad Ali dude.

[BOLLOCKS]

The only reason Marquez didnt face real known fighters was because of his bad management, he had nothing but bad luck, Marquez would've beaten all of the fighters Erik and Barrera fought in their prime, hes more skilled then both.

Your ****ing crazy. JMM was a *****. He ducked EM and he robbed a washed up Barrera. Naz would have KTFO his weak chinned ass!

[LOLORSKATES]

you , sir , have excellent boxing knowledge and a true student of the sport.

but the greater compliment is that you are as smart as me! ha ha ha

i'd give you green k but they haven't let me for 2 days now. something wrong with this ****** thing.

Thanks.

It may sound a little crazy, but Marquez is a one-dimensional fighter against the top fighters.

He's primarily a counter puncher, which is why he had so much trouble with Freddie Norwood and even an older Barrera. Those guys were also counterpunchers and both put him down when he was trying to create his own offense without the counters.

Whenever he would stick his nose in there and try to create his own offense against lesser fighters like Jimrex Jaca and Terdsak, he wound up coming out looking like he'd been through a coffee grinder.

For Marquez to look great, he has to be in with a Manny Pacquiao that he can exploit with counter-punching.

[xcaret]

Your ****ing crazy. JMM was a *****. He ducked EM and he robbed a washed up Barrera. Naz would have KTFO his weak chinned ass!

Barrera, Morales and Naseem all ducked him, he said it himself he wanted to fight all three and even Emmanuel admitted that naseem ducked him cause he was just "too good".... Marquez got hit by the hardest hitter at 130 what makes u think overrated Naseem would've knock him out? Marquez would of schooled him worse then Barrera did, Naseem was nothing but hype, he struggled against bums and journeymen, educate yourself.

[Left Hook Tua]

prime JMM was even better.. i have 90% of his career fights, i know what im talking about.

you'd be hardpressed to find knowledgable boxing fans that would agree prime juanma is better than prime erik and marco.

you might get the new boxing guys who only seen manny beat past prime erik and marco.

marco and erik were great fighters , xcaret.

there's a reason why juan ma got overshadowed by those 2. erik and marco were greater fighters. just because juan ma aged better doesn't mean he was better.

[xcaret]

Thanks.

It may sound a little crazy, but Marquez is a one-dimensional fighter against the top fighters.

He's primarily a counter puncher, which is why he had so much trouble with Freddie Norwood and even an older Barrera. Those guys were also counterpunchers and both put him down when he was trying to create his own offense without the counters.

Whenever he would stick his nose in there and try to create his own offense against lesser fighters like Jimrex Jaca and Terdsak, he wound up coming out looking like he'd been through a coffee grinder.

For Marquez to look great, he has to be in with a Manny Pacquiao that he can exploit with counter-punching.

lol one dimensional, what a ****ing idiot... Norwood didnt want to even fight, he kept running... Marquez changed his style against Jaca, Terdsack and Barrera to please the crowd cause his style wasnt getting him any fans, educate yourself dumb ****.

[Left Hook Tua]

The reason I say this is because his fights always end up in this result: WOULD'VE, COULD'VE, SHOULD'VE. He would've beat Norwood in a rematch (and apparently to some he should've won the fight), he should've defeated Chris John, and he could've beaten Manny Pacquiao. The thing is it didn't happen, just like Vitali Klitschko would've beaten Lennox Lewis in a rematch, he should've won the Lewis fight if it wasn't for the cut, and he could've unified the HW titles. It didn't happen.

Just like Vitali Klitschko, JMM is the king of virtual reality fights.

very good points. i didn't see it that way.