Where Is Roy Jones On The ATG List?

[IMDAZED]

Wow, this post is even worse.

RJJ couldnt have too many PPVs because the public wasnt buying it . RJJ and HBO were doing nothing more than never ending Showcase fights. Its hard to sell PPVs when your fighting nobodys like Derrick Harmon, Glen Kelly,
Richard Hall,David Telesco.

I see. So he opted to put Julio Gonzalez on PPV instead. And he did better numbers with Gonzalez than he did in the all of his previous pay-per-views except Toney: including Pazienza, Grffin, Harding, etc.

When talking about this Gonzalez fight, Im looking back in hindsight. Like ive said: Gonzalez was a green 23 year old pro with a 27-0 record, who beat mostly nobodys with losing records. At that point hadnt beat anything close to a big name. Looking at Gonzalez career as whole now, he turned out to be a decent fighter at best. Years later he won the WBO belt.

We're done here as far as this debate. Until you can actually pinpoint when Gonzalez went from green to decent (like you actually watched his fights between Jones and Michalchewski), I'd advise you to leave it alone.

I give him credit from the few good names he has had faced and beat.
To this day you have to go all the way back to 1993 to get Jones best wins. The Hopkins fight was a good win for the time. Hopkins was far from his best and didnt hit the p4p list untill years later. Actully its probably his best win, to this day people still talk about his boring close decision from 1993. The Toney win in 1994 was good, too bad Jones never accepted the rematch. Also you could say a Hopkins rematch should have happend, but Jones priced him self out.

I'm not sure where all this is coming from. How is any of this relevant to what I said? And I'm the one in love with Jones?

Lets not forget that Taver beat him IMO 3 times. One of which he got KTFO. Also when finally fighting another good fighter in Johnson he got KTFO and couldnt even leave the ring under his own power.

Get out of here! Is that what happened?!?!? I had NO IDEA!!!

Many people gave Jones credit for beating Glen Kelly. Using the gif as a example of Jones "greatness". Woods is a decent fighter at best, like ive been saying. Then in hindsight lost all his big fights. So what does that make him? Nothing great, IMO subpar. So a win over him means? Another mediocre fighter beat.

LMAO @ this hater. Thanks for the laughs.

Its obvious you love Jones and nothing will ever sway your vote. Your mind has been made up for years hes great. Im not a Jones hater, ive said he was good. But the question to this thread was where he is ALL TIME. Your guys are talking top 5,10 of ALL TIME. No way in hell. This isnt a question of "what he could have done", his great genetics, his great hand speed. Were talking what he actully did in the ring, not all the hype. Not who you THINK he could beat. Who he really fought and beat. Jones could have been top 20 but he never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Actually, I never mentioned where I thought Jones stands historically. Actually, I merely brought up something in regards to Julio Gonzalez. But you're so MAD - lmao - that you're just throwing the whole book at me.

Funny how the haters don't realize that they, in actuality, are the real nuthuggers.

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He's a top 10 all time fighter.

But more specifically top 5 all time P4P.



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[Darkstar]

Wow, this post is even worse.


I see. So he opted to put Julio Gonzalez on PPV instead. And he did better numbers with Gonzalez than he did in the all of his previous pay-per-views except Toney: including Pazienza, Grffin, Harding, etc.



We're done here as far as this debate. Until you can actually pinpoint when Gonzalez went from green to decent (like you actually watched his fights between Jones and Michalchewski), I'd advise you to leave it alone.



I'm not sure where all this is coming from. How is any of this relevant to what I said? And I'm the one in love with Jones?



Get out of here! Is that what happened?!?!? I had NO IDEA!!!



LMAO @ this hater. Thanks for the laughs.




Actually, I never mentioned where I thought Jones stands historically. Actually, I merely brought up something in regards to Julio Gonzalez. But you're so MAD - lmao - that you're just throwing the whole book at me.

Funny how the haters don't realize that they, in actuality, are the real nuthuggers.

Wow I never do this but your a moron. After every FACT, you LOL or im sure your Laughing your ass off at another FACT. So haters like me say he is great? Ive said he is great but nowhere near the fighter he is in your mind. Whos mad here? not me.
Check out any boxing historians top 20. After you dont find him, you can write him in with a pencil or something.

[pbftxrs316]

i'd say top 50 for right now, i'm note sure yet, but skillwise, i'd say top 10, but under floyd by far, i'd put floyd top 3 skillwise, hands down.

[Motofan]

One of the most talented fighters EVER...but...who did he really beat? James Toney, Hopkins and who else? Ruiz? Then gets KOED by Tarver and Johnson and limps along agians nobodies and an old, small, retired Tito...and then loses to Calzaghe...If the question was talent I would put him in the top 5 that ever fought, but as far as overall "greatest" I cant rank him all that high.

[IMDAZED]

One of the most talented fighters EVER...but...who did he really beat? James Toney, Hopkins and who else? Ruiz? Then gets KOED by Tarver and Johnson and limps along agians nobodies and an old, small, retired Tito...and then loses to Calzaghe...If the question was talent I would put him in the top 5 that ever fought, but as far as overall "greatest" I cant rank him all that high.

I don't know too many fighters who beat TWO all-time greats (easily). And not washed up ATG's, or old, but one who was considered one of the two best fighters in the world (and he moved up in WEIGHT to do that) and the other wouldn't lose for another 12 years.

How many ATG's in their prime did you want him to beat? Along with those all-timers he beat some pretty good fighters - Thomas Tate, Reggie Johnson, Eric Harding, Eric Lucas, Thulane Malinga, Antonio Tarver, etc., etc.

Add that to his other incredible feats (titles from 160 to heavyweight, unifying all 3 belts at 175) - and that in his prime he rarely lost a round...I mean, I don't know what more you want.

Finally, the loss to Tarver occured at...35? Go check the records of the guys who you would place in front of him and find out when they declined.

[cotto16]

Jones Jr in his prime was unreal!

[Chase8400]

I put the **** top 100, which is maybe a little hard, but come on.

If you wanna get even top 20, you have to PROVE it. You don't prove your greatness by beating Clinton Woods and John Ruiz.

How about by beating Tarver 1, Toney, Hopkins, Trinidad, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Richard Hall, Reggie Johnson, Lou De Valle, Virgil Hill, Montell Griffin, Mike McCallum, Vinny Pazienza, Thomas Tate, Jorge Fernando Castro(see his record).

As it seems to me , he ran the SMW and LHW divisions for almost a decade and beat the best in both classes. Some say that Dariusz Michalczewski was the only one that he should have fought and did'nt, but Jones would have made that fool look silly. Sugar Ray Robinson was not athletic enough to hang with Roy in his prime. I honestly cannot think of anyone that was.

Mr. Unstopable, and ya'll musta forgot! Come Sept 20th of this year, alot of people will get a serious reminder.