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  • #81
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
    i've heard both sides.

    harder to block with smaller gloves too.

    me personally 6 ouncers for junior welterweight down and 8 ouncers for welter to light heavy and 10 ouncers for cruiser and heavy is perfect.

    as far as the health concerns , we just need refs that are not scared to stop a fight for fear of not getting another gig and we need trainers that are smart enough to realize when their fighter is outclassed and throw in the towel.

    that's what gets most of this guys hurt. the trainers don't want to give up , refs that are scared to be called the next richard steele.

    you know machismo dictates the boxers keep fighting until the ref or corner stops it. maybe that's why less people get killed in mma. in mma it's okay to tap or quit when they are getting beat up. a boxer can't do that.
    I agree with u in the mma thing , u made a good point, but not in the 6 oz gloves for fighting jr welters or down, i mean i like the way it is right now 8 and 10 for the big weights...

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
      i've heard both sides.

      harder to block with smaller gloves too.

      me personally 6 ouncers for junior welterweight down and 8 ouncers for welter to light heavy and 10 ouncers for cruiser and heavy is perfect.

      as far as the health concerns , we just need refs that are not scared to stop a fight for fear of not getting another gig and we need trainers that are smart enough to realize when their fighter is outclassed and throw in the towel.

      that's what gets most of this guys hurt. the trainers don't want to give up , refs that are scared to be called the next richard steele.

      you know machismo dictates the boxers keep fighting until the ref or corner stops it. maybe that's why less people get killed in mma. in mma it's okay to tap or quit when they are getting beat up. a boxer can't do that.
      I think the glove sizes are OK as it is.

      Even if a fight is stopped, smaller gloves increases the risk towards fighters suffering permanent damage and I'm against that, boxing is a dangerous enough sport as it is, we don't need more deaths.

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      • #84
        Originally posted by Roque_sevilla View Post
        I agree with u in the mma thing , u made a good point, but not in the 6 oz gloves for fighting jr welters or down, i mean i like the way it is right now 8 and 10 for the big weights...
        the way it is not bad i guess.

        it just bugs me when i see guys smaller than my sister wearing gloves that's bigger than their head.

        but i guess it's also the type of gloves that they wear too.

        i'd rather get hit with 8 oz. grants than 10 oz. cleto-reyes.

        those grants and winning gloves are like pillows. something i'd wear going at it in my backyard with my friends rather than in a pro fight.

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        • #85
          Originally posted by MizzzouMan View Post
          Having small gloves would give ****ty boxers a better chance to get lucky with a punch. Name one UFC fighter that is undefeated.
          being undefeated is overrated. imho

          it's who you've beat and who you've lost to that makes a fighter great.

          going undefeated means nothing. i hate how a good boxer nowadays get one loss and they're called "crap" or "bum". that's why the promoters are wary of difficult bouts for their fighters. a loss is viewed upon so negatively.

          that's one thing that ufc has advantage over our sweet science. in their sport the best guys fight the best guys. that's why they all have losses. they don't get to pick their opponents. the ufc picks it for them.

          name a good fight you want to see in mma and as long as their in the same org you'll see it. in boxing look at how many fights that we would've wanted to see never happened. i wanted to see kostya-floyd. i wanted to see lewis-bowe. i wanted a jones-michalczewski. i wanted to see tyson-tua. but it didn't happen.

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          • #86
            Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
            the way it is not bad i guess.

            it just bugs me when i see guys smaller than my sister wearing gloves that's bigger than their head.

            but i guess it's also the type of gloves that they wear too.

            i'd rather get hit with 8 oz. grants than 10 oz. cleto-reyes.

            those grants and winning gloves are like pillows. something i'd wear going at it in my backyard with my friends rather than in a pro fight.
            because the grant and winnnings have a different padding, they are better for defense....the reyes ones has the weight more distributed over the gloveso u can **** harder. Differences are like the cuban style gloves reccomended for training amateurs, those ones have all the weight from the wrist to the knuckles, so u can use it more in a defensive fashion and also hurt less your opponent...in every gym i have been, somebody one day wants to wear a cletos to do some sparring and the differentces are so big. Reyes are done to harm the other fighter, not for sparring.

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            • #87
              Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
              being undefeated is overrated. imho

              it's who you've beat and who you've lost to that makes a fighter great.

              going undefeated means nothing. i hate how a good boxer nowadays get one loss and they're called "crap" or "bum". that's why the promoters are wary of difficult bouts for their fighters. a loss is viewed upon so negatively.

              that's one thing that ufc has advantage over our sweet science. in their sport the best guys fight the best guys. that's why they all have losses. they don't get to pick their opponents. the ufc picks it for them.

              name a good fight you want to see in mma and as long as their in the same org you'll see it. in boxing look at how many fights that we would've wanted to see never happened. i wanted to see kostya-floyd. i wanted to see lewis-bowe. i wanted a jones-michalczewski. i wanted to see tyson-tua. but it didn't happen.
              one of the bests posts ever....thats the main reason im being interested by this mma thing, of course, boxing is boxing its what i do and what i love, but the "picking" system and the bad decisions is something that is upon myself.

              Ill give some green k, u know i ****, i enjoyed the reading

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              • #88
                I think the glove sizes are fine. It's a dangerous sport. Fighters are lucky to make it out showing no effects from fighting anyway. Absolutely no reason to risk any more.

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                • #89
                  Finally got to reading the whole thread instead of just posting.

                  And im surprised as **** to see so much hate towards Kball. He knows what he is talking about and he loves the sport of boxing.

                  I think we got way to many putos on the scene that don't really watch boxing. And maybe show up for some hbo or ppv fight and see a ko and think every boxing match ends in a brutal ko, well im here to tell those ignorant fans that most boxing matchs go the distance.

                  And really as Kball has mentioned in the old days they used smaller gloves. But remember they also fought 3 times more then they do today unless your a Mexican boxer or from South America or your a journyman whos career is a journyman then you have tons of fights.

                  Not to long ago they used 6oz gloves all the way to the minimum weight to heavweight.

                  Whats funny is how you want a welterweight to wear 10'oz gloves yet you will allow a heavyweight to wear those same gloves. Ain't that some funny ****.

                  I've been a boxing fan for a **** load of years. And the boxers who have died in boxing where in boxing matchs that went on many rounds, where the corner, or ref could have stopped the fight but didn't. TELL ME OF A FIGHT WHERE ONE FIGHTER WAS KILLED FROM ONE PUNCH INSIDE OF 6 ROUNDS?

                  The wrong area of the problem is getting changed and where the problem is nothing i happening. Left hook tua said it best that refs, and corner men should be accountable. They should have stopped the fights earlier. But sure no one man is to blame.

                  If you really a boxing fan, then tell the boxing commision to teach the refs and cornerman to stop a fight when the fighter is getting overly hurt. The Europeans retire, but in America or other its not macho to quit. Yet, sometimes the ref doesn't do its job, nor does the cornerman or they are simple caught up in the fight. After all boxing is all about what the last punch can do - as in change the fight around.

                  I think we have more putos on this board or the boxing fan has changed to see less activity in a boxing match.

                  What some of you guys don't understand is that a boxer conditioned the way he is supposed to be can indure a lot of pain and there skill level will be that much better.

                  Sure some of you 2 a day boxers go to the gym sparr with 16'oz gloves and think they hurt like a son of a ***** and you don't go sparring till another month or more. So you can't adapt to the power from the 16oz gloves.

                  If you're a real amature boxer you understand that within time you can learn to take a hit. Sure, someone that punchs hard just punchs hard. But after a while 16'oz gloves become nothing and cushion all the power cause you've leant to take a punch or your body has learnt to take a punch and if you everyday you learn about defence.

                  With these bigger gloves you are going to see less competitive boxing matchs cause not every boxer trains as they should. I can tell you right now. That a great manager can get any or most ordinary boxer to a record of 20-0 with 15 ko's and thats with 10'oz gloves, they'll have you thinking he hits like superman and it has little to do with the 10'oz gloves but more to do with the opponet.

                  6'oz gloves should be the standard.

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                  • #90
                    Originally posted by Roque_sevilla View Post
                    because the grant and winnnings have a different padding, they are better for defense....the reyes ones has the weight more distributed over the gloveso u can **** harder. Differences are like the cuban style gloves reccomended for training amateurs, those ones have all the weight from the wrist to the knuckles, so u can use it more in a defensive fashion and also hurt less your opponent...in every gym i have been, somebody one day wants to wear a cletos to do some sparring and the differentces are so big. Reyes are done to harm the other fighter, not for sparring.
                    yeah i know. i use to do some backyard amateur stuff for fun with my friends when we have barbecues or parties and stuff.

                    i had some century sparring gloves and everyone was game. i suggested everlast pro gloves and everyone was like......"ummm....."

                    i ended up having to get the heaviest everlast pro gloves and brought headgear and everyone was still not so game anymore. ha ha ha

                    funny. these idiots would start fights at clubs and throw chairs and bottles but don't want to go at it with pro gloves with headgear on!!! pusses.

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