Miranda reveals the truth about the American boxing public!

[Dan...]

Miranda was knocked out in the fourth, Abraham was ahead on all three cards. I had the first round even, second for Miranda and third for Abraham. The fourth of course had three knockdowns for Abraham so had Miranda made it out of the round I would have had it for Abraham by two rounds to one with at least an additional two points to account for the knockdowns.

I thought it was Miranda who was ahead on all four cards. At least that it what the commentators said.

[abadger]

It was less than 3 months ago, that Kessler was ducking Miranda, because he new he would be viciously knocked out, according to most American boxing fans.

As most non-American boxing fans had stated, Miranda had knocked out no one of note and his punching power wasn't as big as anyone had predicted it to be.

Everyone new Miranda wasn't elite, non US fans that is. Yet the US fans continued to believe the unbelievable.

Abrahams destruction of Miranda should have opened your eyes to the real picture.

And that is, European and other fighters can be more than competitive in boxing.

Also, if Pavlik fights anyone other than Abraham now, he will counted as ducking , unless Abraham gets a fight with ODLH, which won't happen.

So the truth is out. What i new all along is there for all to see. Miranda is not an elite level fighter. And Pavlik better start dealing with his competitors because he could very well loose to Abraham, Sturm etc etc.

These guys are class!

Good post. I don't really want to bait the US guys as much as you do, but I think this could be a wakeup call for some of the more agressive "euros are bums" posters on this site.

IMO, on average the best predictors and most knowledgeable fans on this site tend to be non-Americans (but there are good US guys too) and I think the reason for this is simple.

Non-Americans HAVE to know about US fighters by definition, because a large number of the most famous fighters are American and if we didn't know about the likes of Cotto, Williams etc, we would be laughed off this site. The thing is though, that means we have to take an active interest in boxing rather than just watching it on HBO every time its on, and this naturally leads us to to look at other fighters too, both at home and abroad, in a way I think a lot of US guys don't.

I hope that some of the smarter US posters, who perhaps may have been guilty of being spoiled by realtive American boxing riches will take this fight as a signal to start looking a bit further afield, because as Arthur Abraham just showed, there are a hell of a lot of very good fighters out there.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Neither Abraham nor Miranda are from the US:

****s weak.

[nnamme]

miranda reveals the truth

The top ten pound for pound in the world as judged by American publication the Ring are as follows:

1. Manny Pacquiao - the Phillipines
2. Joe Calzaghe - Wales
3. Juan Manuel Marquez - USA
4. Bernard Hopkins - USA
5. Israel Vasquez - USA
6. Miguel Cotto - Puerto Rico
7. Kelly Pavlik - USA
8. Cristian Mijares - Mexico
9. Rafael Marquez - Mexico
10. Ivan Calderon - Puerto Rico

So out of the top ten pound for pound in the world less than half reside in the United States.

yeah, sometimes we don't need to be overly proud that elite boxers can only be produced and trained by one dominant country. In the end, the boxers have their own natural talents anyway, depending on how mentally and physically prepared they are for a fight.

[abadger]

Bump. This was a good post by Ultimate.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Bump. This was a good post by Ultimate.

No, it's not.

People will hype who they want to hype. If you honestly think that Miranda-AA was a fight that somehow shows Americans' bias or ignorance to fighters outside of the states then you're crazy.

There are examples to use if you want to make that argument (as it can be made for everybody), but this certainly isn't one of them.

[Steak]

The top ten pound for pound in the world as judged by American publication the Ring are as follows:

1. Manny Pacquiao - the Phillipines
2. Joe Calzaghe - Wales
3. Juan Manuel Marquez - USA
4. Bernard Hopkins - USA
5. Israel Vasquez - USA
6. Miguel Cotto - Puerto Rico
7. Kelly Pavlik - USA
8. Cristian Mijares - Mexico
9. Rafael Marquez - Mexico
10. Ivan Calderon - Puerto Rico

So out of the top ten pound for pound in the world less than half reside in the United States.

6/10? huh? thats more than half. hahaha. although Hopkins shouldnt count, hes retired.

would yall stop whining and judge the fighters, instead of where they come from.

oh yea, Ive heard that Abraham is gonna fight Marquez next, cause Im pretty sure thats what his camp said. I thought you said Abraham was fightin Mundine next Ult?

[squealpiggy]

I thought it was Miranda who was ahead on all four cards. At least that it what the commentators said.

Nah I heard them say Abraham was ahead.

And even if he was behind by two rounds to one after the fourth that puts him two or three points up with all the KDs.

[Dick-Sucker]

Good post. I don't really want to bait the US guys as much as you do, but I think this could be a wakeup call for some of the more agressive "euros are bums" posters on this site.

IMO, on average the best predictors and most knowledgeable fans on this site tend to be non-Americans (but there are good US guys too) and I think the reason for this is simple.

Non-Americans HAVE to know about US fighters by definition, because a large number of the most famous fighters are American and if we didn't know about the likes of Cotto, Williams etc, we would be laughed off this site. The thing is though, that means we have to take an active interest in boxing rather than just watching it on HBO every time its on, and this naturally leads us to to look at other fighters too, both at home and abroad, in a way I think a lot of US guys don't.

I hope that some of the smarter US posters, who perhaps may have been guilty of being spoiled by realtive American boxing riches will take this fight as a signal to start looking a bit further afield, because as Arthur Abraham just showed, there are a hell of a lot of very good fighters out there.

Yeh you make a good point.

Say Katsidis for example. To understand how he would go in his division. I need to watch Nate Campbell and other fighters in the US. So you are right.

And these guys don't give half a **** about outsiders because they think there watching the best.

Agree.

The fact of the matter is. I pick Calzaghe to beat Pavlik, quite comftorably if they ever fight. I also think Arthur can win aswell against him. I don't see any Americans doing well in the HW division for another decade or so. And while the US does dominate certain divisions its time to realise there are better fighters outside the US.

And its up to those in the US to want to watch them fight, demanding HBO/Showtime, organize contracts to bring these fighters into the US.

Miranda was severely over rated as i had stated numerous times. Kessler should be fighting in front of packed houses at madison square gardens.

The injustices in our sport are amongst the highest i have seen, for professionals.

[Dan...]

Nah I heard them say Abraham was ahead.

And even if he was behind by two rounds to one after the fourth that puts him two or three points up with all the KDs.

Yeah I realise that. I am 99% sure that the judges all had Miranda up 2-1 after 3. I had it the same way. Arthur pretty much gave away 2 of the dirst 3 rounds till he started opening up.