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First of all, you should be applauded for putting bias aside and using your common sense.What this article?
I don't buy it.
But you have to take a look from Jones point of view. He was P4P the #1 fighter in the sport. A well known fighter & multi-division champ & the challenger who's virtually an unknown wants you to come to his backyard overseas & fight him. Of course any boxer would want to be compensated for doing that. Cal was the fighter that needed to establish himself so he should have made more of an effort to fight Jones but he was content to defend his WBO belt at home.
Where's the ducking? Joe wasn't mentioning Roy much when Roy was in his prime?
Plus i found this in a thread i made back in the day claiming Joe had said this, am trying to get a link for it now.
It works both ways.
Case closed. Joe hardly talked about Roy, especially about fighting him! Frank Warren did, big difference. Frank Warren doesn't always speak the truth, actually he talks a lot of bollocks! Believe nothing he says. You really think Frank would send his prize fighter to the states to face Roy ''The Monster'' Jones when Roy was at his peak?!??! Please spare me.
The proof is that Joe Calzaghe was willing to come to the US to fight a Bernard Hopkins. From what he's saying, it looks as if he may come to the US to fight Jones as well. Yet...we're supposed to believe six years ago that he wanted to come but they didn't want to fight him?
Please - he was happy to stay away and the hell away from those beasts. I mean, he coulda moved up and fought a contender (like Hatton did with Collazo) but he did none of that. Simply put, he didn't want none.
And that's not to say he's a bad fighter. On the contrary, I think he's a great one. Just not as good as those guys in their prime and he knew it.Comment
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I don't even think you really believe that.
You are sadly mistaken if you think Jones wants this for the money. And I sincerely hope Calzaghe doesn't feel that way. Actually, I suspect he does as he keeps referring to this fight as a "big event" and pooh-poohing talk of a fight against Pavlik but "he's not ready." Yeah...I hope he's not thinking like that.
Roy Jones is not doing this for the money. He took the Tito fight with NO GUARANTEE. I repeat, meaning he would see NO money until pay-per-revenue came in. Why did would someone like Jones (who some of you accountants claim often priced himself out of fights) take a NO GUARANTEE fight?
The Hanshaw-Jones fight was originally scheduled to be on Showtime. But Jones balked at the numbers Showtime offered and pulled out. At the time, people viewed it as Roy ducking Hanshaw - even when he said that he would pay Hanshaw the same amount Showtime was offering him if they did it under his own promotions. And that's exactly what happened.
So I don't think Jones is doing it for the money. And I wonder if Calzaghe thinks he's opted for the safer, more lucrative fight when he's walking into an old fashioned set-up.Comment
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I do believe it. It was transparent to me that Jones was happy when he even won a round against Johnson and in Tarver 3. He did not expect to win those fights. He specifically came to Tarver 3 with the sole intention of not getting KOd. I'm sure he hoped to win, but hoping is not the same as expecting.
As for Trinidad and Hanshaw, I don't think Roy expected to lose in those. They were explicitly set up to get Jones back onto winning ways. Hanshaw as a tune up and Trinidad basically as a patsy who was nontheless the biggest name that Roy could definitely expect to beat. If you think about it that is exactly what Trinidad was. He is no 170lb fighter.
Those fights paid off, Roy now probably has the big fight he wanted, for a title (presumably) and against a guy it is not inconceivable he could beat, but more importantly for a massive payday, which is exactly the same reason Calzaghe is taking the fight too. As to Roy winning the fight, well, like I said, I'm sure he's hoping to, and I know he'll come to fight knowing what a win would mean for him, but expecting to win. How can he be, it simply doesn't make any sense.Comment
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So then that would be the reason, not money...according to YOUR own words.I do believe it. It was transparent to me that Jones was happy when he even won a round against Johnson and in Tarver 3. He did not expect to win those fights. He specifically came to Tarver 3 with the sole intention of not getting KOd. I'm sure he hoped to win, but hoping is not the same as expecting.
So then that would be the reason, not money...according to YOUR own words.As for Trinidad and Hanshaw, I don't think Roy expected to lose in those. They were explicitly set up to get Jones back onto winning ways. Hanshaw as a tune up and Trinidad basically as a patsy who was nontheless the biggest name that Roy could definitely expect to beat. If you think about it that is exactly what Trinidad was. He is no 170lb fighter.
How so? The third Tarver fight was nearly three years ago. You think he made big money for Badi Ajamu? Or for fighting Hanshaw in Biloxi? Or taking no guarantee against Tito?Those fights paid off,
So Roy has for a fight that's going to get him everything he wants is what you're saying?Roy now probably has the big fight he wanted, for a title (presumably) and against a guy it is not inconceivable he could beat, but more importantly for a massive payday, which is exactly the same reason Calzaghe is taking the fight too.
You think Jones doesn't expect to win? Oh man! Thank God it's Calzaghe fighting and not you! But like I said, I think Calzaghe believes that too...As to Roy winning the fight, well, like I said, I'm sure he's hoping to, and I know he'll come to fight knowing what a win would mean for him, but expecting to win. How can he be, it simply doesn't make any sense.Comment
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As you often do IMDAZED you take what was a good discussion and start turning it into debating club. Roy hoped to win in those fights, didn't really expect to and was glad to get paid for them. You bring up the Ajamu fight because I didn't mention it, but since you ask, no, that was just another fight he took to try and get back on an even keel.
As for the (probably) upcoming fight, no I don't think Jones expects to win, he's shot and fighting a P4P guy and he isn't dumb. Whether he thinks he might win, well that is a different story.Comment
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Dude, you said Roy's doing it for the money. Yet, in your second straight post, you back this claim up by listing other reasons LOL. And your kicker is that you believe Jones doesn't expect to win. Hilarious.
So Calzaghe finishes off his career with a 43yr old and a shot 40 yr old.Comment
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Don't be so weak. Boxers get paid and its the bottom line of why they fight. Sometimes they fight knowing they will probably lose, because they are being paid for fighting. It happens every day I'm sure. They have other reasons to fight too, like titles which tend to go hand in hand with paydays. Sometimes they take lesser fights against lesser opposition in order to get those titlefights and paydays, even if the rewards for those lesser fights themselves aren't that great. Pretty much what RJJ has just done. Clear?Comment
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It took you three posts to straighten that out and you're asking ME if it's clear?
Please.
Yeah, Jones wants a big payday. That's why he's taking the fight with Calzaghe. No other reason...he doesn't EXPECT to win. LMAO.
The money is why he was fighting in Boise and Biloxi.
The money is why when he finally got the opportunity to make big bucks, he told Felix Trinidad "I'll pass on the guarantee, thanks."
Yeah...it's clear.Comment
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