Explain to me what's so great about Hopkins's middleweight resume...

[THe TRiNiTY]

Nearly. Calzaghes big wins came against guys his size though that is the difference.

Of the same size, but of lesser overall p4p skills than Trinidad and De La Hoya. So, it about evens out.

[TommyGunn.]

Of the same size, but of lesser overall p4p skills than Trinidad and De La Hoya. So, it about evens out.

Kessler has just as much skill as both.

He has more skill than Tito infact. I would not argue if anyone though Oscar was a lil more though although i disagree.

[TommyGunn.]

Kessler beats any fighter that Hopkins has beat.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Kessler has just as much skill as both.

He has more skill than Tito infact. I would not argue if anyone though Oscar was a lil more though although i disagree.

Kessler isn't as skilled as Oscar, to me. and Tito has MUCH more skills than Lacy. p4p. Not straight up, the size would be too much. p4p, though.

[Ryn0]

Of the same size, but of lesser overall p4p skills than Trinidad and De La Hoya. So, it about evens out.

BUT Tito and Oscar had the size disadvatage, Hopkins has fought the fighters with more talent yet they weren't his size, Calzaghe has fought guys with perhaps less talent but much bigger which kind of evens it out. On the other hand i think Kessler would beat both Tito and Oscar in their primes because of his size advantage.

[THe TRiNiTY]

BUT Tito and Oscar had the size disadvatage, Hopkins has fought the fighters with more talent yet they weren't his size, Calzaghe has fought guys with perhaps less talent but much bigger which kind of evens it out. On the other hand i think Kessler would beat both Tito and Oscar in their primes because of his size advantage.

Once again, because of size. But p4p skills, I think he loses.

And that's the whole point. One COULD make the arguement that for trule GREAT fighters (such as Calzaghe and Hopkins) it could be just as easy beating a less skilled bigger guy as it is beating a better skilled smaller guy.

Here's... whats in a name. If Oscar had been able to go up to middleweight, for example and take the title from Hopkins, (people tend to forget that he was competitive until that body shot) that he would be recognized as a VERY impressive MULTI divisional champion. He didn't. The point is, is that one can then debate whether or not he's actually good enough to win the true middleweight title and Hopkins just happened to be overall, the better fighter. Or, one can just assume he has NO business in the middleweight division.

I think it's somewhere in between for Oscar. He did decent AT FIRST against Felix Sturm, but I also think he underestimated him and underprepared. I think he did well with Hopkins until that body shot. But, in the same sense, with Trinidad, who was perceived as a 'fake' middleweight AFTER the fight, even though he was the betting favorite before, he was a solid middleweight. Handled Joppy well enough. Did better than Taylor did with him, when Joppy was still fresh.

Hopkins was just the better man on that night.

I just don't recall anyone giving The Acting Amigo a chance, but I take your point(s).

[kayjay]

Of the same size, but of lesser overall p4p skills than Trinidad and De La Hoya. So, it about evens out.

This whole "p4p skills" thing is an ****** fantasy of internet fanboys.

It's better for a middleweight champ to fight a tough middleweight than to fight a 140 lb champ. End of.

[TommyGunn.]

Kessler isn't as skilled as Oscar, to me. and Tito has MUCH more skills than Lacy. p4p. Not straight up, the size would be too much. p4p, though.

The thing about that is though Kessler would have murdered both inside 4 rounds.

[TommyGunn.]

Once again, because of size. But p4p skills, I think he loses.

And that's the whole point. One COULD make the arguement that for trule GREAT fighters (such as Calzaghe and Hopkins) it could be just as easy beating a less skilled bigger guy as it is beating a better skilled smaller guy.

Your right. Size is the big thing in this debate and fact is Hopkins biggest wins came against WW's.