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Even watching boxing closely, not knowing about a SMW champion and no.1 of what 8 years at the time, is incredibly ignorant, sorry but true.
Lacy was favored even by those inside boxing to beat Calzaghe, even those in the UK. Goes to show how much the name thing in the US was exposed, and ppl are increasingly reluctant to not favor Joe when he's proved time and time again against several styles against the odds, he wins.
Hops best weapons against Joe were countering, super defense, and ring intelligence, 3 things he had best tweaked post 40 hence other big wins post that age. Age excuse once again doesn't cut it.
Kessler is a massive deal in boxing, most regard him 2nd only to Joe in the SMW division, he's like to face the likes of the so called names in Miranda and Pavlik in time, and many favour Kessler, pretty even, what does that say? Even Americans seem to be accepting this of Kessler in decent numbers now, as most elsewhere do.
Well kinda answered before with the questioning of names, which is not the same outside of the states I'm afraid. Calzaghe faced many very respectable top 10 contendors, and demolished pretty much anyone sometimes whilst others struggled. Not our fault they weren't on US tv much, or the media, ppl didn't pick up on it much. Even HBO did features on this.
Not all of us, a decent margin yes, with reason. He's remained no. 1 at SMW for an unprecedented time, is unbeaten, and ducked no one. Again, sorry not our fault you don't know the names enough, and Gary Lockett, no idea what he has to do with it.
Respect to you aswell, it's all good man such is the nature of debating on forums, ppl learn new info, research, watch other fights, and alter they're view slightly, doesn't mean has to be complete consensus. That would just be boring. 
And since then, he has beat a way overhyped fighter(Lacy), another fairly unknown fighter in the US(Kessler), and an old Hopkins. I only watched highlights of the Lacy fight but did see Kessler and Hopkins live. I thought Kessler gave a game effort but did just enough to loose. And Hopkins style and wear ended up getting the best of him.
Hops best weapons against Joe were countering, super defense, and ring intelligence, 3 things he had best tweaked post 40 hence other big wins post that age. Age excuse once again doesn't cut it.
Kessler is a massive deal in boxing, most regard him 2nd only to Joe in the SMW division, he's like to face the likes of the so called names in Miranda and Pavlik in time, and many favour Kessler, pretty even, what does that say? Even Americans seem to be accepting this of Kessler in decent numbers now, as most elsewhere do.
So you have a guy thats 45-0 that has only fought one really big name as far as americans are concerned. I did recognize 7 of the 45 fighters he has fought names.
You guys in the UK talk about he should be the best SMW of all time when we over here dont know if most of his 45-0 record was built off of Gary Locketts.
I think I give up, don't think we will come to any kind of agreement here. All respect to you though, you've been mature in your arguments and I hope I have as well. I try to stay away from name calling and childish things but still try to express my thoughts strongly.
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