How is Joe Beating Pavlik at 168 or 175, a HUGE deal?!?

[THE REED]

199 to be exact. preach bro ham..

he weighed 193 at the weigh in.. check boxrec

[Sir_Joe]

You really think someone would be ****** enough to pick Pavlik over Calzaghe at Light Heavy?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

im simply talking if the fight happens at LHW...

is joe a true LHW? NO, he isnt..

but Pavlik is a MW!

if pavlik comes all the way up to LHW.. i dont see it as a huge win...

this is the only point im trying to make

Then why include 168 in the thread title?

I like you, and you are usually a reasonable poster, but you're backpedalling pretty quickly.

[THE REED]

You really think someone would be ****** enough to pick Pavlik over Calzaghe at Light Heavy?

****** enough? on this forum???

[johnm is...]

I can see this bull**** starting already, it's all over NSB.

It looks like the yanks have learnt their harsh lessons from the Lacy fight, and are now instead trying to discredit their fighter BEFORE he gets schooled.

As recent as a few days ago, the general consensus was that Calzaghe didn't want nothing to do with Kelly because he battered Lockett (who is a LMW, by the way )

Now the general consensus is that Kelly is too small?

Does it really hurt that much to give any credit to a fighter who isn't American? Because it's sure beginning to look like...

Pot? Kettle? Black?

[THE REED]

Then why include 168 in the thread title?

I like you, and you are usually a reasonable poster, but you're backpedalling pretty quickly.

well ill be honest... i forgot that in the JT rematch pavlik fought at 166... so 168, really wouldnt make a huge difference...

although I think 175 would... and i was basing my argument MORE on the fight being at 175, being that ive read Joe cant make 168 anymore...

so, if in fact the fight happens at 168, then it is in fact a great win for joe.. regardless of what I said about it being at 168... but 175... i just dont think it would be

[circleinsidebox]

its the best super middleweight in the world vs the best middleweight in the world

[Sir_Joe]

Arum wouldn't let Pavlik fight Calzaghe in Wales, let alone at 175. Who do you think he is? the devil?

[THE REED]

well ill be honest... i forgot that in the JT rematch pavlik fought at 166... so 168, really wouldnt make a huge difference...

although I think 175 would... and i was basing my argument MORE on the fight being at 175, being that ive read Joe cant make 168 anymore...

so, if in fact the fight happens at 168, then it is in fact a great win for joe.. regardless of what I said about it being at 168... but 175... i just dont think it would be

So is this reasonable?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

Arum wouldn't let Pavlik fight Calzaghe in Wales, let alone at 175. Who do you think he is? the devil?

No, he is an idiot.

If he wasn't, Pavlik wouldn't be fighting JC at all...