Who’s better p4p. Pavlik or Kessler? And why does Pavlik get a freebee?

[KingTito]

Of course it's Pavlik. He beat Miranda and knocked off the MW king in Taylor, then beat him in a rematch. That alone is reason enough.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Pavlik is the middleweight champion of the world. he is undefeated, and has earned it. kessler has no belt let alone is not recognized as the smw champion.

[jangeorg]

Kessler turning down a fight with Miranda for a fight with Sartison has something to do with it.

And I agree with natas.

And Miranda is a true a level fighter,**** you,Miranda's two best wins at SM was guy who Carl Froch ko'd three years ago and guy who Peter Manfredo beat last year.
Miranda is one of the most overrated fighters in the world, 1 dimensional, no plan B, can be outboxed by anyone with skill and just presents a KO threat, though he's never stopped a top 10 ranked fighter yet and struggled with the incredible Henry Porras

No-one ever wants to talk about who Miranda has beaten....

[jangeorg]

[QUOTE=TheManchine;3608078]It's the hype that Miranda had, people were supposedly avoiding him because of his punching power and the win over Allan Green was good.

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Green was drained at 162 and his health problems around the time well known.so how good was this

[Mizzou]

Who the **** is Miranda anyway and what did he do to get a shot at Kessler?

For the record, Kessler is better than Pavlik P4p but Pavlik holds 2 wins over the HBO golen boy Jermain Taylor.

You need to go to britishboxingscene.com, you'd like it.

[Mizzou]

Pavlik is the middleweight champion of the world. he is undefeated, and has earned it. kessler has no belt let alone is not recognized as the smw champion.

[Silencers]

And Miranda is a true a level fighter,**** you,Miranda's two best wins at SM was guy who Carl Froch ko'd three years ago and guy who Peter Manfredo beat last year.
Miranda is one of the most overrated fighters in the world, 1 dimensional, no plan B, can be outboxed by anyone with skill and just presents a KO threat, though he's never stopped a top 10 ranked fighter yet and struggled with the incredible Henry Porras

No-one ever wants to talk about who Miranda has beaten....

He's better than Sartison.

[jangeorg]

He's better than Sartison.

I am in no way saying Sartison is a good fight, far from it, but it may not be any worse than a Miranda fight and at least he's getting a belt.

[jangeorg]

By the time Miranda was moved to no.2 he had signed to fight Abraham.

But that's beside the context of this thread.

its well known that eventually Kessler came back to Miranda with an even better offer on an even better network (HBO) but that Miranda's team in all their **** talking arrogance had already moved on because they wrongly thought Kessler was scared

[Silencers]

I am in no way saying Sartison is a good fight, far from it, but it may not be any worse than a Miranda fight and at least he's getting a belt.

He would have gotten the same belt if he had took the Miranda fight. I'm not hating on Kessler or anything.

its well known that eventually Kessler came back to Miranda with an even better offer on an even better network (HBO) but that Miranda's team in all their **** talking arrogance had already moved on because they wrongly thought Kessler was scared

Kessler did turn down the fight first if I'm not mistaken, by the time Kessler's team went back and offered Miranda the fight, Miranda had accepted the Abraham fight. I could be wrong though.