Who’s better p4p. Pavlik or Kessler? And why does Pavlik get a freebee?

[duffgun]

I think its obvious that Pavlik is above Kessler in the P4P rankings.

[fragilety]

last year when kessler was the leading man to face calzaghe, everyone(it seems from all my lurking) seemed to think he had that tools, the works , the all to undo cal's long reign, funny how things change.. is pavlik the more talented or polished fighter all of a suddan? taking nothing from pavlik.. yeah he does have A bigger name on his Win list though

[BattlingNelson]

Pavlik is the middleweight champion of the world. he is undefeated, and has earned it. kessler has no belt let alone is not recognized as the smw champion.

I'll give you this: Pavliks wins over Taylor is better than any win on Kessler's record. But the fact that Kessler doesn't hold a title is useless since he lost to Calzaghe which is no shame. Pavlik would lose to Calzaghe too.

Apart from the Taylor-win Kessler's resumée is far more impressive than Pavliks IMO.

[boxaholic]

Agreed except Pavlik gets that pass because he hasn't lost. Kessler took a easy fight after a loss when Miranda was foaming at the mouth for him. He should have fought Miranda and then everybody including me.

After last weekends destuction of welshman Gary Lockett at the hands of Kelly Pavlik, Pavlik is praised from all around. Lockett is only about 50 in the computerized rankings of the IBO and 32 at Boxrec, but Pavlik, who’s no.1, gets a freebee since he’s fought so many big names lately so a soft touch is excuseable. Love keeps streaming towards Pavlik.

I’d like to make a comparison with Mikkel Kessler.

Later this month he is to fight Dimitri Sartison for the WBA SMW title. Kessler is dissed all around for fighting such an unknown quantity. Why? Sartison is also about no. 50 in the IBO rankings but 14 in Boxrec, and Kessler has fought for his life in his last 6 fights.

Pavlik is ranked around no. 7 in various p4p ratings while Kessler is not in the top 10.

Pavlik’s last 6 opponents:

Lockett KO3
Taylor W12 (Former MW champ)
Taylor KO7 (MW champ)
Miranda KO7 (eliminator)
Zertuche (NABF title)
Pierre (rather obscure)

Kessler’s last 6 opponents:

Calzaghe L12 (all-time great)
Andrade W12 (mandatory)
Beyer KO3 (WBC champ)
Lucas KO10 (former WBC champ)
Mundine W12 (current WBA champ, fought in Oz)
Siaca KO8 (WBA champ; Kessler was a late sub)

My questions are:

1) Why are Pavlik the higher ranked p4p?
2) Why does Pavlik get a freebee and Kessler not?

[BattlingNelson]

Agreed except Pavlik gets that pass because he hasn't lost. Kessler took a easy fight after a loss when Miranda was foaming at the mouth for him. He should have fought Miranda and then everybody including me.

Well I'd very much liked to see a Miranda fight too. He's taylor-made for Kessler. But thats besides the point. Why doesn't Kessler get to get a semi-decent fight without hate after fighting for his life the last 6 fights and after a loss when Pavlik gets a freebee with this welsh nobody?

I dont get it.

[Pullcounter]

After last weekends destuction of welshman Gary Lockett at the hands of Kelly Pavlik, Pavlik is praised from all around. Lockett is only about 50 in the computerized rankings of the IBO and 32 at Boxrec, but Pavlik, who’s no.1, gets a freebee since he’s fought so many big names lately so a soft touch is excuseable. Love keeps streaming towards Pavlik.

I’d like to make a comparison with Mikkel Kessler.

Later this month he is to fight Dimitri Sartison for the WBA SMW title. Kessler is dissed all around for fighting such an unknown quantity. Why? Sartison is also about no. 50 in the IBO rankings but 14 in Boxrec, and Kessler has fought for his life in his last 6 fights.

Pavlik is ranked around no. 7 in various p4p ratings while Kessler is not in the top 10.

Pavlik’s last 6 opponents:

Lockett KO3
Taylor W12 (Former MW champ)
Taylor KO7 (MW champ)
Miranda KO7 (eliminator)
Zertuche (NABF title)
Pierre (rather obscure)

Kessler’s last 6 opponents:

Calzaghe L12 (all-time great)
Andrade W12 (mandatory)
Beyer KO3 (WBC champ)
Lucas KO10 (former WBC champ)
Mundine W12 (current WBA champ, fought in Oz)
Siaca KO8 (WBA champ; Kessler was a late sub)

My questions are:

1) Why are Pavlik the higher ranked p4p?
2) Why does Pavlik get a freebee and Kessler not?

because taylor beat his p4p opponent (Taylor) and kessler lost to his p4p opponent (Calzaghe)... it's just that simple.

[BattlingNelson]

Agreed except Pavlik gets that pass because he hasn't lost. Kessler took a easy fight after a loss when Miranda was foaming at the mouth for him. He should have fought Miranda and then everybody including me.

It seems natural to me to take an easier option when the dream of your life has just been crushed.

That being Sartison is undefeated (but unknown).

But I agree that he shuold have taken Miranda. That fight would have meant easy money for Kessler plus US-exposure.

[Patty Tanager]

I really don't know.

I have Kessler #8 in my P4p.

Yeah i agree, i have Mario Veit #9 and Branko Sobot #10 in my P4P.

[eazy_mas]

Kessler win against Beyer is overrated Beyer looked like he didnt want to fight to begin with.

the rest of the fighters are contenders no much of a threat.

[BattlingNelson]

Kessler win against Beyer is overrated Beyer looked like he didnt want to fight to begin with.

the rest of the fighters are contenders no much of a threat.

If Kesslers wins were against contenders, what would you call Pavliks (exept Taylor)? Garbagemen?