Lets get things straight here... Calzaghe is stronger than Pavlik

[fightingfigs]

OK Joe or Mikkel do not have the power of Pavlik. pavlik would knock mikkel kessler out.

pavlik and Joe would be an interesting fight

[abadger]

OK Joe or Mikkel do not have the power of Pavlik. pavlik would knock mikkel kessler out.

pavlik and Joe would be an interesting fight

You are so funny. I would have thought after the ownage you gave yourself in that thread about Kessler v Pavlik you would have backed off on this issue, but no, now it's "Pavlik would KO Kessler".

[fightingfigs]

And Pavlik didnt give it his all against Lockett he did against Taylor but he cruised to win that fight. I love how Pavlik has no power but Lockett took knees because he couldnt take the beating anymore.

You british guys will cry when Pavlik fights calzaghe because even if Joe wins he will get the beating of his life.

[fightingfigs]

Originally Posted by fightingfigs
OK Joe or Mikkel do not have the power of Pavlik. pavlik would knock mikkel kessler out.

pavlik and Joe would be an interesting fight

You are so funny. I would have thought after the ownage you gave yourself in that thread about Kessler v Pavlik you would have backed off on this issue, but no, now it's "Pavlik would KO Kessler".

Abadger have you watched the Taylor pavlik fight??

[fightingfigs]

half the posters on that post were british anyway soon as they see kesslers name they run straight to it.

[fightingfigs]

Calzaghe used to impress me but after the B-Hop fight i dont see him as a supreme fighter anymore.

Maybe its age or maybe its because he has never fought great fighters.

i think its both and his time is up when he fights pavlik

[RodBarker]

What he says is a fact. No-one is claiming that Joe was ever a one-punch KO monster, but I personally REMEMBER the days when Calzaghe was regarded as a KO artist, with serious pop in his punches.

As for the assertion that his "first real test was Kessler" that is just wrong. I'd say beating Chris Eubank at age 25 was a HUGE test, and also I have to point out that the passage of time has caused everyone to forget that fighters like Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell and Omar Sheika were all top ten SMW's during Joe's reign as champ, and he beat them all. These are not the superfights that everyone expects and demands of Joe today, but tests for a young SMW champion? Of course they are. Everyone forgets that Joe was not always the P4P star he is today, back then he was just a young guy with a belt, and he beat all the guys in his division who could conceivably have taken it.

Mate they were all way past it , old men at the end of of tough careers and many fighting out of their best weight class , those guys are average contender fighters nothing elite about them at all only elite being Eubanks and he was retired and way gone , the rest are gate keepers and 2nd 3rd tier fighters , he didnt beat all the guys in his division , he stayed home and beat hand picked opponents , the world big stage was there all the time and Joe only decided now to have a serious crack at it , mate dont try and tell me how good Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell and Omar Sheika are , I know exactly what level they are at , forget fighting another past it champ in Jones , he would get a lot more respect from me fighting Pavlik or Dawson .

[abadger]

Abadger have you watched the Taylor pavlik fight??

I've seen both. Kelly impressed me a lot because knocking out Jermain Taylor is not something just anyone could do. I know, you know, everyone knows that Kelly Pavlik is very heavy handed.

I also saw a lot of flaws in Kelly. He is quite slow and really his whole game is based on left jab, right hand, which he makes work for him because he does so it so often and so methodically, with plenty of power. But a fighter who knows how to predict what he will do and make adjustments to negate it will give him plenty of trouble. I also saw him sink to his knees almost out on his feet and nearly get KO'd by Taylor, and I also saw him fail to KO Taylor second time out, suggesting his power isn't quite the same at higher weights.

The point of this thread figs, is also not really about punching power at all, it's about body strength. Calzaghe is now a LHW, having been a natural SMW all his career, and appeared to be physically stronger than both Mikkel Kessler and Jeff Lacy, both massive SMWs. There has to be every chance he might be physically stronger than the MW Kelly Pavlik too, but we won't know for sure until they fight.

[Soundtraveler]

All this crap about Calzaghe being stronger than Pavlik, being more powerful than Taylor, Joe has such a high KO percentage, blah, blah, blah, is actualy starting to draw flies.

The fact of the matter is, a TON of Joes' KO's were against opponants with a losing record to begin with - he didn't face a fighter with a winning record for almost three years after turning pro, he SHOULD have KO'd those chumps, everyone else did too - it has NO bearing on his ability NOW.

Sure Joe has some skills, but face it, he hasn't KO'd anybody in years, he just doesn't have the punch that he used to, he is too old to fight a young gun like Pavlik, and if he has even "half" a brain, he will stick to fighting his fellow "seniors tour" fighters like Hopkins and Roy Jones.

Calzaghe has had only 3 or 4 "serious challenger" type fighters on his resume, even an old Middleweight fighter like Hopkins, who spent most of the fight "holding" rather than "punching" gave him all he could handle - THAT is the Joe Calzaghe of TODAY.

Pavlik has way more crafty moves than people here give him credit for, and he throws hard with just about every punch, and he throws ALOT of them. He is WAY too tough for Calzaghe at this point!!!

IF CALZAGHE FIGHTS PAVLIK (WHICH I DOUBT) I WILL BET ALL MY POINTS THAT PAVLIK WINS -- AND HE WILL MOST LIKELY WIN BY TKO LATE, I SAY ROUND 9 OR 10...

[konaman]

I would tip Joe for the win but can we cut the crap about how he can be a power puncher, thats not him anymore, hes a totally different fighter and that isn't how he fights.

He doesn't hit hard, he decisions people by unloading huge flurries of very rapid punches that he doesn't sit down on. The only possibile stoppage would be a mercy stoppage and pavlik has heart and a high workrate so that would never happen.

If anyone in the fight gets knocked out it won't be Pavlik, Joe is going to have to stick to what hes good at and that isn't obtaining KOs.

If you watch Joe's early stuff you can definitely see and hear the pop on his punches, its like night and day in comparison with the power he possesses/utilizes today, but that is irrelevant.