Hopkins is a ****ing cheater

[RichCCFC]

Took you 2 months to realise lol?

I just saw it on youtube and I watched it again, how the **** can someone think Hopkins won or will win if he was 6 years younger?

Calzaghe dominated Hopkins and it should have been a UD if it wasn't for the bias judge.

A 28-33 year old Calzaghe wins against prime Hopkins a bit closer.

[Stickman]

I just saw it on youtube and I watched it again, how the **** can someone think Hopkins won or will win if he was 6 years younger?

Calzaghe dominated Hopkins and it should have been a UD if it wasn't for the bias judge.

A 28-33 year old Calzaghe wins against prime Hopkins a bit closer.

Judges are paid by promoters. So are refs.

[Kilrain]

I just saw it on youtube and I watched it again, how the **** can someone think Hopkins won or will win if he was 6 years younger?

Hmm, I dont know, maybe because a 43 year old Hopkins fighting above his natural weight was able to give Calzaghe, supposedly at his peak, a competitive fight? You ****ing moron.

[C'MONMANG']

Hmm, I dont know, maybe because a 43 year old Hopkins fighting above his natural weight was able to give Calzaghe, supposedly at his peak, a competitive fight? You ****ing moron.

not to mention dropping him LOL

[Addition]

Hopkins is indeed a cheat.

[abadger]

Hmm, I dont know, maybe because a 43 year old Hopkins fighting above his natural weight was able to give Calzaghe, supposedly at his peak, a competitive fight? You ****ing moron.

Calzaghe is at his peak only in the eyes of Americans who want him to be so they can give Hopkins more credit than he deserves. He isn't.

Joe Calzaghe, just like Hopkins, is aging, and fighting above his natural weight.

Hopkins has more fights at LHW than Joe does, and to my eyes looks very comfortable at the weight, indeed he probably weighed close to the cruiser limit against Calzaghe and with not an ounce of fat on him was hardly blown up. Manny Steward believes that Hopkins has always been a natural LHW.

Lots of what you say is good, Kilrain, you are just too quick to credit Hopkins without any criticism and too quick to criticise Calzaghe without crediting him.

[Kilrain]

Hopkins a natural LHW, thats dumb as hell, if he had been a natural LHW Bouie Fisher would've orchestrated Hopkins' campaign at 175 rather than 160, he lost his debut at that weight don't forget, and fighters don't fight in one weight until they're forty and then move up to their "natural" division, what bull

Calzaghe was above his natural weight too, yeah, but Calzaghe fans have been saying for years (as has Cal) that making 168 was murderous for him, and at 175 he would be a whole different beast. I'm not saying thats true or not, I'm saying you can't support one without weighing up the other

I have credited Calzaghe with being a very fast fighter, with a tremendous workrate, but I do not believe he is the technical genius that you seem to think he is. Roy Jones' is a technical fighter, he has adjusted in the past to combat different styles/bigger fighters. Against Toney and Hop he pot-shotted, against other guys like Tate he sat down and went for power. He could adapt when things weren't working like in the Montell fight when Roy started to put rounds in the bag. But Calzaghes opposition, to be fair, have never been good enough to show any extra dimensions in Joes game. Robin Reid did

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

Hmm, I dont know, maybe because a 43 year old Hopkins fighting above his natural weight was able to give Calzaghe, supposedly at his peak, a competitive fight? You ****ing moron.

Owned.

not to mention dropping him LOL

Owned.

Calzaghe is at his peak only in the eyes of Americans who want him to be so they can give Hopkins more credit than he deserves. He isn't.

Joe Calzaghe, just like Hopkins, is aging, and fighting above his natural weight.

Hopkins has more fights at LHW than Joe does, and to my eyes looks very comfortable at the weight, indeed he probably weighed close to the cruiser limit against Calzaghe and with not an ounce of fat on him was hardly blown up. Manny Steward believes that Hopkins has always been a natural LHW.

Lots of what you say is good, Kilrain, you are just too quick to credit Hopkins without any criticism and too quick to criticise Calzaghe without crediting him.

Once again how can you compare 36 to 43. You are blinded so much by your fanaticism you fail to acknowledge something we in the real world refer to as common sense.

[abadger]

Hopkins a natural LHW, thats dumb as hell, if he had been a natural LHW Bouie Fisher would've orchestrated Hopkins' campaign at 175 rather than 160, he lost his debut at that weight don't forget, and fighters don't fight in one weight until they're forty and then move up to their "natural" division, what bull

Calzaghe was above his natural weight too, yeah, but Calzaghe fans have been saying for years (as has Cal) that making 168 was murderous for him, and at 175 he would be a whole different beast. I'm not saying thats true or not, I'm saying you can't support one without weighing up the other

I have credited Calzaghe with being a very fast fighter, with a tremendous workrate, but I do not believe he is the technical genius that you seem to think he is. Roy Jones' is a technical fighter, he has adjusted in the past to combat different styles/bigger fighters. Against Toney and Hop he pot-shotted, against other guys like Tate he sat down and went for power. He could adapt when things weren't working like in the Montell fight when Roy started to put rounds in the bag. But Calzaghes opposition, to be fair, have never been good enough to show any extra dimensions in Joes game. Robin Reid did

You are right it is important to consider both sides, and yes Calzaghe has struggled to make 168 recently, which is why he is now at LHW, but I think SMW is his best weight. Without question, Bernard is a natural LHW now, and was always naturally big for a MW, but with excellent conditioning.

On Roy Jones, I would say for most of his career he was the definition of a non-technical fighter, relying on his speed and athleticism with scant regard for the more technical aspects of the game. Calzaghe is much better schooled than Roy ever was. I agree that Roy has improved with time and that in his commentary shows terrific technical understanding, but I'm not sure he really demonstrates it in the ring.

I find it stange that people are unable to appreciate/ see Joe's skill, because it is not that different than the type of talents Bernard Hopkins has, just a little more geared towards attack than defense.

Good posts in this thread today though Kilrain.

[Kris Silver]

Owned.

Owned.

Once again how can you compare 36 to 43. You are blinded so much by your fanaticism you fail to acknowledge something we in the real world refer to as common sense.

This is spilling into anti Calzaghe which isn't true to the topic.

Owned, grow up mate, Hopkins mostly pushed him, and Calzaghe was up within a few seconds. If that's a half decent shot of Hops why didn't it put him down for 5, why could he not exploit this so called advantage in the first round? Owned.

36 compares with 43 seems obvious on paper. Your showing extreme imaturity and ******ity by not being able to look deeper than some basic numbers. When comparing age and athleticism, fatigue, it's key to not the style of the athlete, you moron. I explained this on a prior page you must have rushed along with your short pointless stabs in the debate. Calzaghe's style is chasing, aggressive, high punch out put, pressure and more, which uses A LOT of energy. Hopkins style is defend, minimal movement, minimal punch output, very selective foot work, movement, punches, which uses MINIMAL energy.

Factor that in to it and it's not quite so black and white, rarely is. Calzaghe spent probably something like 40%+ more energy in the fight than Hopkins. He wasn't tired despite this high output, athletically demanding style. Yet Hopkins was tired with 40+% less energy, work, output and athleticism.

If the were both in the middle, at 40 (Calz 3 yrs older, Hops 3 yrs younger) you would see the same again based on what we saw.