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agreed.........i hope they do fight one day..........
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floyd came from 130.............the amount of fights guys fought then and now should not factor in judging any fighter.........in the old days, guys fought a week or 2 later........nowadays, it is a bad career move to do that........and you are talking about guys who started at 147........that you think would make mince meat out of floyd.........i doubt that seriously.............Comment
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First off, I am a Cotto fan, but I don't let it cloud my judgement when analyzing resumes or matchups.
Second, I expected Quintana to beat Williams simply because he held the stylistic edge: a sloppy volume puncher who leaves himself open to counters against a slick southpaw with the movement to offset Williams and the ability to land the cleaner shots. It was a surprise to many who overrated Williams.
Third, Hatton made his mark as a P4P fighter based on what he did at 140. Move him up to 147 and he's a B- class fighter and his performance against Luis Collazo proves that. He was a legitimate welterweight when he faced Mayweather, but not at his best weight, nor with the strength advantage that has allowed him to be so successful. His P4P status doesn't make the win better for Mayweather. You fail to take into account the ACTUAL PERFORMANCE LEVEL of the fighters. Hatton is nothing more than a lower level top 10 at welterweight.
Shane is past his prime, I don't deny that for a second. But he's still an elite fighter. Try to claim that the Hatton win was better. You can bring up all the 'top 10 P4P' sentences you want into your argument, but I'll just throw the ability of the two right back at you - Hatton: struggles against Collazo, arguably loses 7 rounds, Mosley: dominates Collazo, winning 10 or 11 rounds.
I brought up the 'linear' thing because titles and labels don't make the fighter. The FIGHTER makes the title. Baldomir was a B- level opponent making the most out of his opportunities.
Cotto has NEVER faced a top 10 P4P fighter. Mayweather HAS, and when you take into account his accomplishments from 130, 135, 140, 147, and 154, his resume exceeds Cotto by a large margin. All I'm saying is that Mayweather's resume at 147 doesn't exceed Cotto's. If anything, Cotto's resume surpasses his at this weight class.
Thus I draw one conclusion: the two need to fight, no if, and's, or butt's about it. Fair enough?Comment
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Mayweather's not a true fighter anymore. I don't even wanna talk about it. It's completely ******.Comment
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Mayweather making the right moves
he's going to fight Cotto when it makes the most money....stop bugging haters.Comment
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I'd like you to tell me where and when Dempsey said he wouldn't "fight a coloured challenger". Dempsey had NO colour prejudice. The vast majority of fight-goers were white. They paid for the seats. There was NO money in fighting a black man. And the average fighter, before he'd become a famous champ, would basically fight for "peanuts" just enought to keep him and his manager going.
That's why the old time fighters had so many fights, 2-3-4 a month even. They were making wages.
The Dempsey-Wills fight was arranged at Dempsey's request, but pre-fight sales were so poor that Doc Kearns cancelled it. He NEVER wanted Dempsey to fight a black man for that, very obvious reason. Wills had No chance of beating Dempsey.
People talk about Langford. I remember when they found the poor guy, not too long before he died, and collected some money for him. I still have the picture, taken at that time, of Sam sitting on the front steps of an old shack, blind and penniless.
No need to make a big thing out of Jack Johnson or Dempsey not wanting to fight Langford. Johnson's reasons were 1) he lived a very high life and needed money, being always broke. 2) There was NO MONEY in fighting Langford. 3) He'd already fought Langford before he became World Champ, actually being the World COLOURED Champ. He half killed him, knocking him down a couple of times whilst giving him a bad beating, ober 15 rounds, playing with him, as he always did with his opponents. Several times with Langford on his way down, Johnson would clinch and hold him up. Johnson was far superior to ANY other fighter of his time.
As for Dempsey not wanting to fight Langford, by the time THAT fight was suggested by Langford-who wanted to make some money- Langford was in his late 30's, half-blind and years past his best. Dempsey, to make Sam feel good, would say that Sam was too good for him.Comment
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I agree entirely with your assessment of Marciano. I've carefully scrutinized all of his opponents, and they ALL fit into your description.
The reason he had those 2-3 great fights with legends like Louis, Ezz etc is because they were SO FAR gone, that they had come down to his level. This made for great fights. Just think Micky Ward- Arturio Gatti. Not gtop fighters but well matched.
That's why a top promoter's most important associate is his matchmaker.Comment
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According to boxrec he beat two other fighters who'd never lost. They were in his first and fourth fights. The thing is, it was their FIRST fight.
I wouldn't. count the Corrales fight at all. If he'd fought Corrales a year before Coralles might have killed him. He waited until Corrales had gone up to lightweight, and was having trouble even making THAT weight, before he offered Corrales a large purse to fight at 130. Corrales spoke about it on TV BEFORE the fight.
When asked about his difficulty in making weight, he said " well it isn't easy, but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse".
The poor guy needed money to pay his lawyers, and he was already going to jail after the fight. So he was in a physical and psychological mess.
Read this.........
This is an brief account of the weigh-in for this fight by T K Stewart, who is a very well known boxing writer as well as a Barney Award winner. I can say that Corrales had given up the 130 class 6 months before and was campaigning as a lightweight, when Mayweather saw his opporunity to take advantage of him and, as Corrales said, when saying that is was VERY hard to make the weight, "they made me an offer I couldn't refuse".....
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Diego Corrales, MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, January 19, 2001 - The fighters are weighing in and Corrales misses making the 130-pound mark his first time. He comes back about an hour later and strips down to nothing. I'm standing beside HBO fight judge Harold Lederman, and he says, "I haven't weighed 130 since my Bar Mitzvah!" Corrales looks like a prisoner of war he is so skinny. 6'0" tall and 130 pounds. His skin is gray and dry and he looks like he's close to death with hollow cheeks and sunken eyes. He looks like one of those starving African kids you see on those UNICEF commercials as his head looks too big for his emaciated body. Only a few of us are there. Jose Sulaiman, Marc Ratner and a handful of others. If Corrales doesn't make the weight there is no fight...He steps on the scales and everybody takes a deep breath....130 it is! Miguel Diaz his trainer erupts in celebration. The fight will go on!
Hi Edgar,
It was an interesting fight for sure.
A few weeks before the fight, Corrales had a couple of his wisdom teeth
removed and this kept him from training for several days during a critical
point in his preparation. Diego was also dealing with the spousal abuse
charges that eventually sent him to jail for over a year not long after
this fight took place. His mind was elsewhere, and his trainer Miguel Diaz
told me it was all he could do to get Corrales to come out of his bedroom
from playing video games to train. They trained for this fight at the
Prince Ranch just outside the Las Vegas city limits.
Whatever the case, Corrales was actually a 5-4 favorite at the Vegas
sportsbooks when the first bell for this fight rang, so a majority of the
people actually thought he would win it. I believe he would have won as
well had his weight not been the real issue for him. I picked him to win,
but after I saw the weigh-in I knew he had no chance. The man was
emaciated and he was totally spent. He looked physically ill and he no
doubt was. His eyes were sunken in his head and his skin tone and color
was corps-like.
As for his performance in the fight? It was unusual. He had no pop on his
punches, there was no speed and he was always a step of two behind Floyd.
The shots that caused him to sink to the canvas weren't anything like he
withstood against Jose Luis Castillo Acelino Freitas or Joel Casamayor in
later fights. Your theory is the best explanation for his performance in
that fight.
That was a big fight and it was tainted by the weight problem. I would
have loved to see the two of them do it again at 135 or 140 but it doesn't
look like a rematch will ever happen now. Corrales is also damaged goods.
The first fight with Castillo probably ruined him and the struggles of
trying to make 130 and 135 over the years has also played havoc with him.
My guess is that Corrales is pretty much at his end.
Tom StewartComment
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