Marciano vs Holifield

[Boogie Nights]

and for the record even James Tillis, or any other good cruiserweight today would beat lastarza. he was a bum in the division without having beaten anyone, the fact that he gone the distance with rocky does nothing to disapprove that.

[hemichromis]

i cant actually believe that im replying to this bull**** trying to make a point, but ill make your day

mike won that fight and knocked tillis down in the process. it wasnt his best performance, but there was nothing shady about the decision. you dont seem to factor in the fact that tyson wasnt in his prime. he was still at a learning stage and a young, up and coming contender with only 19 fights! there was a huge gap in experience. tillis had 31 fights having fought the likes of witherspoon, shavers, carl williams, pinklon thomas, greg page, and mike weaver.

your comparison is very ******, no offence. you dont look at the facts. you seem to really romance rocky too much, and tend to to think that anyone who gave him a hard time or gone the distance with him would give trouble to mike or any other fighter.

you also showed your biase toward holyfield and i dont like it. saying he faded in fights??? if that's the case i can point out almost every other heavyweight that faded in fights either early or late. a win is a win, and holyfield beat some opposition and gone the distance with guys rocky wouldnt even have a chance with

and who the **** is roland lastarza? what the **** has he ever done? what other name has he been in the ring with other than rocky???

the guy is a contender whom people called a trialhorse. like i said lastarza beating tyson is the most diotic statement i ever heard. nothing comes close

im not gonna waste my time and respond to any ****** posts unless you start making sense and come up with reasonable posts.

tyson was in his prime. if not, when was it?

[TheGreatA]

and for the record even James Tillis, or any other good cruiserweight today would beat lastarza. he was a bum in the division without having beaten anyone, the fact that he gone the distance with rocky does nothing to disapprove that.

Calling him a bum is an exaggeration. LaStarza might not have been as good as Thunder Lips is making him out to be but he was no bum.

He had went 37 fights undefeated before losing a split decision to Marciano, lost two fights afterwards and avenged them both.
LaStarza won a split decision against Rex Layne, a top contender in the era which got him the rematch against Marciano for the world heavyweight title.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TBgf4H2ybho

He was a good defensive fighter so Marciano decided to target his arms until they were broken and he could not hold his hands up anymore.

After losing to Marciano, he was never a top fighter again.

[Boogie Nights]

Calling him a bum is an exaggeration. LaStarza might not have been as good as Thunder Lips is making him out to be but he was no bum.

He had went 37 fights undefeated before losing a split decision to Marciano, lost two fights afterwards and avenged them both.
LaStarza won a split decision against Rex Layne, a top contender in the era which got him the rematch against Marciano for the world heavyweight title.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TBgf4H2ybho

He was a good defensive fighter so Marciano decided to target his arms until they were broken and he could not hold his hands up anymore.

After losing to Marciano, he was never a top fighter again.

calling him a bum was a little harsh on my part but it was a statement made in the heat of the passion. la starza beating tyson was indeed an idiotic statement and also offensive and disrespectful to one of my favourite fighters. to suggest that, id have to question that person's knowledge but i responded.

he was a game opponent but nothing special. by no means was he a stand out or considered a serious threat among contenders of that era. durable fighter with tricks in the bag, but definetly not what thunder lips is making him out to be. he lost to quite a few fighters after the rocky losses, but he hasnt done much before that with limited opposition on his record.

i dont understand, but am i the only one who thinks a prime tyson beats rocky marciano, and in the process might actually get the ko.

because that's where i think all the talk was leading to from the start

[5burowz]

At a catch-weight of about 190lbs., this would've been an interesting fight.

[Boogie Nights]

At a catch-weight of about 190lbs., this would've been an interesting fight.

i cant see mike making that weight to be competitive without being seriously weight drained unless he was 17 again.

[5burowz]

i cant see mike making that weight to be competitive without being seriously weight drained unless he was 17 again.

WTH are you talking about??? I'm not talking about Tyson, I'm talking about a bout between Holy and Marciano...you know, since it's a thread about those two.

[Boogie Nights]

WTH are you talking about??? I'm not talking about Tyson, I'm talking about a bout between Holy and Marciano...you know, since it's a thread about those two.

oh, my bad, i got confused. in my previous post i asked whether i was the only one who thought mike would beat rocky. it's a different discussion but you have to read other posts to get what we were talking about.

anyway your post came right after mine, and it got messed up.

[Kilrain]

Holyfield is leagues better, get serious. Marciano was good for the era but Holyfield is one of the most athletic, fit, dedicated, and all-round skilled heavyweights of all time, plus he has a strong beard so no 190 lb mauler like Marciano is gonna give him too much trouble (Qawi wasn't dissimilar to Marciano). Holyfield would TKO him in about three or four rounds, too much overall. You can't match Marciano with the modern era, he gets smoked almost every time, the guy had no defence and average speed, plus he's tiny.

[TheGreatA]

no 190 lb mauler like Marciano is gonna give him too much trouble (Qawi wasn't dissimilar to Marciano).

Qawi didn't give Holyfield much trouble?