Is Calzaghe a Top 25 Fighter in the last 30 Years?

[OptimusWolf]

who has foreman beaten in the 78-08 period? I'll tell you who. Moorer and that is it.

[daggum]

who has foreman beaten in the 78-08 period? I'll tell you who. Moorer and that is it.

why does it even matter calzaghe stops foreman now that he's the ring magazine champ in 2 divisions

[Clegg]

So does Calzaghe have better wins than Castillo? Castillo has wins over Corrales, Casamayor, diaz, prime lazcano and stevie johnston, arguably beat Floyd mayweather.

Uh, we have been through this several times. You already tried to claim that Calzaghe didn't belong on the list because he hadn't beaten a great prime fighter. When I pointed out the names on your list that have never done so, you had no response. Must we go through the "are records the only consideration?" discussion?

Castillo has some good wins but he lost to Corrales and his win in the rematch is less indicative of who the better fighter was when you take into account his weight advantage.

Now, while it's true that Castillo was old and past his best against Hatton, the fact is that if one guy maintains his high standards to the age of 36, and the other fails to do so, it DOES affect their claim to greatness. An example of this is Rid**** Bowe. To me he looked excellent, but only for a very short period of time, and this affects how highly I rate him. Being good for a year or two doesn't make you equally great as being good for 10 years.

your making self look like a ****ing idiot.

You are the ****ing idiot, because I showed that everything you said in your previous post was incorrect, and you are now only able to respond to a couple of my points.

if you say calzaghe has a better resume/wins than castillo when all calzaghe has done is get gifts over a 44 year old past his best hopkins and a win against kessler who hasnt **** yet. go and make a thread and see how many people agree with you on who has a better resume...you dont even probably know much about boxing since your a brit....

That's what it comes down to with people like yourself, an anti-British bias. That's your default position, that's what is at the root of your opinions.

I have already addressed you claims of bias in my previous post. You are unable to respond to this, yet you still repeat it. Yours are the actions of someone with limited intelligence.

dont boxrec your way through idiot.

I'm no boxrec warrior, but a boxrec warrior is a step up from you. I mean at least someone who uses boxrec would've known that Foreman-Frazier didn't happen in the last 30 years.

either watch the foreman vs briggs fight or dont comment on it at all, a 46 year old foreman beat briggs but was robbed, again ask anyone who has actually seen the fight and they will tell you no way briggs won..

Foreman and Castillo's records aren't what you want them to be in comparison to Calzaghe's, so you try and say that Foreman and Castillo deserved the W in some of their losses, and Calzaghe deserved the L in some of his wins. It's very hard to argue and with someone who feels that how they saw a fight going is more important than the official result.

If you want to discuss robberies, I could've brought up Foreman's decision over Schultz. Foreman, like a true warrior, was stripped of his title for refusing to give the guy a rematch.

LOL u shot your self on the foot on that one...

I shot myself on the foot?

Moorer was the LINEAR

Calzaghe is the linear champion at SMW and LHW. Good to know that you consider the linear title so important. I guess that (according to you) he'd beat Dawson, Jones, Tarver and Johnson. Interesting.

RING MAGAZINE

No, Moorer was never Ring Magazine champion.

Unified...THE HW Champion by beating a Prime Holyfield...and Foreman beat Moorer.

When, according to you, was Foreman the best? Bowe would've beaten Foreman. At any point in the 90s, Holyfield would've beaten Foreman. Lewis would've beaten him, Tyson would've beaten him. He was not the best heavyweight in the world at anytime after the 70s. The fact that he had the linear belt doesn't prove otherwise.

[daggum]

how's your foot clegg? do you need a band aid? i got band aids with calzaghe's face on them would you like one.

[Clegg]

how's your foot clegg? do you need a band aid? i got band aids with calzaghe's face on them would you like one.

My foot's ok, but I'll have the band aid anyway if you don't want it, maybe I can sell it to _Ricky_ on eBay.

[Technical_Skill]

He's better than Marquez,Toney, Mosley, Wright, Tsyzu, Cotto, Hopkins, Trinidad, Oscar, Lewis and many others there so yes.

The question should be, is he a top 10 in the last 30 years?

I don't know about that one...

No.

[Technical_Skill]

For the record, joel Casaymayor is on another level to calzaghe in terms of skills, he can actually punch, he can actually land punches, even though he is way past it knocked one of the most dangerous punchers on the sport the **** out.

[abadger]

For the record, joel Casaymayor is on another level to calzaghe in terms of skills, he can actually punch, he can actually land punches, even though he is way past it knocked one of the most dangerous punchers on the sport the **** out.

Casamayor is very talented I agree, and I am not sure who I'd say has more, but Calzaghe is one of the most technically gifted boxers on the planet right now and no way is Casamayor on another level.

Casamayor has all the stereotyped slickness that we have come to associate with "boxing talent", but Calzaghe is the master of in-ring adjustments that not only counter his opponents attack, but open up their defence too. What Calzaghe does is neither flashy, nor obvious, it is subtle and designed not to impress, but to win, and it cannot be taught.

[tyson]

Jesus H mutha******** bloody Christa..

Exist there no middle ground?

This is two extremes arguing. I don't know if Calzaghe is top 25.
He is not in mine, but that's personal because of his girlie style.
Unless you guys have exceptionally good knowledge on every top fighter the last 30 years, I suggest you just say "I don't know".

THose words can be relieving, ya dig?

[Technical_Skill]

Casamayor is very talented I agree, and I am not sure who I'd say has more, but Calzaghe is one of the most technically gifted boxers on the planet right now and no way is Casamayor on another level.

Casamayor has all the stereotyped slickness that we have come to associate with "boxing talent", but Calzaghe is the master of in-ring adjustments that not only counter his opponents attack, but open up their defence too. What Calzaghe does is neither flashy, nor obvious, it is subtle and designed not to impress, but to win, and it cannot be taught.

No dude.

Casamayor is on another level techincally, have you seen the katsidis fight and the fight ending shot he landed, study the angle on the punch alone, then watch his footwork, then look at the fighters he went in the ring against...

Then talk to me about technique.

Sorry what adjustments did calzaghe make against hopkins, other than to throw a zillion more punches which didnt land?

Please tell me.