Who's the more complete fighter RJJ or Mayweather

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He rarely jabs. He is not the technical boxer that people make him out to be. It's not even a bad thing. The jab is something that fighters use to set their good **** up... fighters like Jones and Mayweather can forego that because they are THAT badass.

I'm fencing this one.

I will say to the people that voted Mayweather that Jones has showed an entirely new style in his last few fights... fighting like Winky Wright. Someone that can change their style that much and still be effective is more than just a one-trick pony IMO.

On one hand I want to say it took him ages, on the other that Jones always proved to be a smart fighter, so I am not surprised he finally got there.

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Floyd uses his jab when he chooses. Against Judah some. And alot in round 9, for example, in the Hatton fight.

We are talking "complete". Can Floyd fight unorthodox? Yes. Can Roy fight classical? Not as well. Can Roy fight as well inside as outside?

I watched alot of prime Roy. His late-round stamina was fine. It wasn't Mayweather-esque.

Jones fought by the book against Vinny Pazienza.

He did so well that Pazienza went a whole round without landing a punch.

Also, Mayweather's stamina is adequate, but is masked as better than it is. I mean, really, I think a lot of fighters who throw a ton of punches would be fresher than a ******'s ***** if they threw 30 punches a round like Mayweather does... am I right?

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On one hand I want to say it took him ages, on the other that Jones always proved to be a smart fighter, so I am not surprised he finally got there.

Well, to be fair... he didn't need his new style against Richard Hall, Clinton Woods or John Ruiz... He wouldn't have done any better had he used it.

The ONLY fights that he could have predicted he would need it and been able to effectively use it was against Tarver II or Johnson II. After that he was too tentative, and before that he couldn't have predicted it.

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Floyd doesnt use his jab much... roy rushed the jab in the pazienza fight and the ruiz fight.. and it was a crucial jab

roy and floyd have different teqniques, being unorthodox doesnt make you an incomplete fighter

roys stamina in his prime is just as good if not better than floyd

chin, we dont know in roys prime.. he didnt get koed til he was 35

You should tattoo that in a few people's brain. I have argued with people telling me that anyone with a jab could beat Jones...

But I still think Mayweather's repertoire is definitely wider.

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He rarely jabs. He is not the technical boxer that people make him out to be. .

Round 9

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He rarely jabs. He is not the technical boxer that people make him out to be. It's not even a bad thing. The jab is something that fighters use to set their good **** up... fighters like Jones and Mayweather can forego that because they are THAT badass.

I'm fencing this one.

I will say to the people that voted Mayweather that Jones has showed an entirely new style in his last few fights... fighting like Winky Wright. Someone that can change their style that much and still be effective is more than just a one-trick pony IMO.

He is technical, he uses defense, footwork and body movement to set up and angle his punches.
When Floyd throws combinations they are a thing of beauty, but he can dictate the fight one punche at a time as well.
He can adjust well to fighters and only improves as the fight goes on.

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We are talking "complete". Can Floyd fight unorthodox? Yes. Can Roy fight classical? Not as well.

I disagree, Floyd could not fight like Roy, no one I can think of would be able to (ok I saw Burley could do a number of moves which make me think he could, but that's about it)

Can Roy fight as well inside as outside?

I agree big time on this one, Roy has answers for good inside fighters, but not on Floyd's level.

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Round 9

Yeah, I have seen every Mayweather fight, and was a HUGE fan when I started with the sport. I know that he has a great jab, just like Jones does. And both refuse to use it on a regular basis. And both are intelligent for refusing to use it, because they could be landing power shots instead of jabs, which does more damage and gets more credit from the judges.

HBO said that Mayweather pulled the jab out of the holster in round 9, something that is rarely seen in his game during their commentary in round 10. Or something to that effect.

He is technical, he uses defense, footwork and body movement to set up and angle his punches.
When Floyd throws combinations they are a thing of beauty, but he can dictate the fight one punche at a time as well.
He can adjust well to fighters and only improves as the fight goes on.

No... Cory Spinks is technical.

Mayweather goes beyond boxing technique (which really is like the beginner's guide to fighting) by using things from the advanced realm of boxing (right land leads, multiple hooks at one time, etc.)

The shell defense is NOT something a technical fighter uses... technical fighters keep their hands up.

Once again... in Floyd's case, he would be a worse fighter if he was more technical. His athletic gifts allow him to forego those things that beginners have to use to be effective. Got it?

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Well, to be fair... he didn't need his new style against Richard Hall, Clinton Woods or John Ruiz... He wouldn't have done any better had he used it.

The ONLY fights that he could have predicted he would need it and been able to effectively use it was against Tarver II or Johnson II. After that he was too tentative, and before that he couldn't have predicted it.

But that's exactly why i voted for Mayweather. Mayweather goes in with Hatton and fights like he was Hopkins. How many rounds did that ****er spar in his life to look so good at doing something we never saw him doing? In most of his fights he will fight two different styles throughout the fight. Jones didnt need to give completely different looks, because he was just untouchable (as in physically untouchable) and his punches were bombs. He probably could have been a lot more versatile from the get go, but we will never know because, as you say, he never needed to...

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The shell defense is NOT something a technical fighter uses... technical fighters keep their hands up.

I respectfully disagree. The shell defense and shoulder roll is one version of a classical defensive posture.

James Toney.