Prime Calzaghe beats Prime Hopkins convincingly

[Dirt E Gomez]

No.

I'm just saying he beats James Toney.

Good to see you're consistent with little or ****ty logic.

You fail as a poster. Go away for the rest of the day. Seriously. It's posts and comments like these that make people dislike Calzaghe... or any other fighter for that matter.

[KnockoutTheFat]

We should make a Calzaghe beats _____ thread.

Prime Calzaghe beats

Roy Jones
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Ray Robinson
Michael Spinks
Bob Foster
Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Evander Holyfield
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney

Let's add some more!
He beats...
Sugar Ray Leonard by a brutal 1st round KO
Mike Tyson in a wide UD after KD'ing him 7 times
David Haye (terrible chin)
Dwight Muhammad Qawi 7th round corner stoppage
George Foreman in a 2nd round KO
and best of all...
wins a SD over Tye Fields

[Dynamite Kid]

Prime Calzaghe beats Hopkins and Toney.

Prime Calzaghe loses to Jones Jr.

All of the fights are close though.

How do u come to the conclusion that Calzaghe beats a prime Hopkins when he struggled badly and got decked by a 43 year old version of Hopkins and many people thought he won the fight including Mike Tyson ,Duke McKenzie who is a masssive Calzaghe fan BTW , and one of the main factors in Hopkins not getting the decision was his lack of activity in the latter rounds which im sure your willing to conceed was down to the fact he is 43 years old

put it this way knowing what Joe Knows about Hopkins now do u think he would go back in time and fight the 2001 version of Hopkins when i very much doubt he would even want to give him a rematch to Hopkins at the age of 43 ,wakey wakey

[daggum]

didn't he just get a gift decision against old ass hopkins at 43? any smart fighter like hopkins, toney, or roy jones would pick him apart and ko him most likely. calzaghe would have to rely on his "huge" power to save himself.

[Mr. Philadel]

first and foremost, NOONE, again NOONE beats B-Hop convincingly! In their primes Joe may have not made it outta that 1st round! In their primes Hopkins would have let his hands go way more and that was the ONLY difference in the April 19th fight!

[RichCCFC]

u kno wat terrible i fink u might be a bit wrong there man.

calzaghe in 2001 was better too, mang.

[βetamax]

No seriously... Hopkins in his PHYSICAL prime didn't wasn't in his MENTAL prime.

Because he was able to produce a higher workrate he was somehow less of an intelligent fighter? It could also probably be argued that because of Calzaghe's recent experience against more top level competition his mental prime wouldn't have been during his physical prime as well but that really ranks low on what I find to be important. I've said it before but physical decline is the ULTIMATE factor for performance decline. This is why despite gains in experience it's very rare to see anyone fighting past 40.

As far as speed, power, etc. I think it's a bold claim to say that Cazlaghe had the advantage. Maybe a slight edge in speed but Calzaghe has never had any impressive KO's that would put him in the class of a power puncher and certainly done nothing where you can clearly say he had more power then Hopkins.

To me this is almost a silly argument. A 43 year old Hopkins outclassed Calzaghe for most of the fight. He put Calzaghe on his ass, landed the cleaner & harder punches, he put on a defensive show, and made Calzaghe look amateurish throwing wild shots. The fight was won on Calzaghe's workrate plain and simple. Yet somehow Calzaghe would still win if Hopkins had the ability to match the workrate?

[abadger]

We should make a Calzaghe beats _____ thread.

Prime Calzaghe beats

Roy Jones
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Ray Robinson
Michael Spinks
Bob Foster
Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Evander Holyfield
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney

And it is exactly this type of post that makes boxingscene such a frustrating place to discuss boxing in. I said that prime Calzaghe beats Jones, Hopkins and Toney, which is actually a fairly reasonable opinion. Calzaghe is one of the more talented boxers I've seen so to think he could beat three boxers who have all lost to much inferior boxers than Calzaghe, even in their primes is hardly delusional, its a valid opinion even if you disagree with it. It is not the same as saying Calzaghe beats any boxer ever and you know it.

[Dynamite Kid]

u kno wat terrible i fink u might be a bit wrong there man.

calzaghe in 2001 was better too, mang.

carry on Ricky

[TheGreatA]

And it is exactly this type of post that makes boxingscene such a frustrating place to discuss boxing in. I said that prime Calzaghe beats Jones, Hopkins and Toney, which is actually a fairly reasonable opinion. Calzaghe is one of the more talented boxers I've seen so to think he could beat three boxers who have all lost to much inferior boxers than Calzaghe, even in their primes is hardly delusional, its a valid opinion even if you disagree with it. It is not the same as saying Calzaghe beats any boxer ever and you know it.

I'm not arguing that Calzaghe could not beat them, I've said it myself and have taken some criticism from their fans for it.

Joe Calzaghe has a chance against any of them. This is true.

It's more about that you said Calzaghe WOULD beat them and that he WOULD beat them EASILY. That is ridiculous.