is Pavlik a good Champion or was it just right place right time

[GodOfWar]

Pavlik doesn't want to lose his 0, so he'll never fight joe calzaghe

[C'MONMANG']

Taylor was rocked by Winky & Hopkins i dont consider either to be big punchers

what i mean by right place right time is the competition at that weight is poor IMO there are some talented MW coming up through the ranks though

wow good assesment. they arent big punchers hence the not knocking him out!.. this is boxing you can get hit or rocked...

he stomped Miranda and he stomped TAylor. END OF STORY..middle weight division is decent. not to mention kEL IS only like 25.. man you suck...

[βetamax]

I'm inclined to agree that Pavlik is a case of "right time/right place". He isn't terribly skilled though he has a decent jab a strong right hand, he isn't the hardest puncher though he packs enough to stop someone if he catches them right, he doesn;t have the best chin though he can get up and finish strong. But he is better than the previous champ who never really seemed to believe he deserved to be the champ.

I think he's already passed the chin test. He's eaten right hands from Miranda with no problem, he got hit with 6-8 bombs in row from Taylor (who CAN punch) before going down only to get right back up and take some more.

I agree that's he's fairly limited but he's good at what he does. I also don't think his power shouldn't be questioned either. Miranda, Taylor, and Zertuche each looked like they took 4 slugs to the body after going down. Those guys were OUT.

[Dynamite Kid]

I'm inclined to agree that Pavlik is a case of "right time/right place". He isn't terribly skilled though he has a decent jab a strong right hand, he isn't the hardest puncher though he packs enough to stop someone if he catches them right, he doesn;t have the best chin though he can get up and finish strong. But he is better than the previous champ who never really seemed to believe he deserved to be the champ.

i agree

i dont think he has a bad chin TBH though

he does'nt stack up well against other top Middleweights or SMW of yester year IMO ,Toney ,Calzaghe ,Hopkins ,Eubank, Roy Jones would own him

i know Pavlik fights at MW but in reallity the guy is 168 lbs fighter possibly a 175lbs he sits in a steam room before every fight & he is 6 ft 2 i think its safe to say 160lbs is not his natural weight

[Silencers]

Pavlik is a legitamitely good champion. He was an underdog againt both Miranda and Taylor and knocked them both out. Taylor and Miranda both have good chins.

[MELLY-MEL...]

He is a great champ and it is unfair to down play taylor. he may have had controversial decision with bhop and winky, but he was right there in those fights regardless of who you think won. taylor is no slouch, and a very good fighter. i view kelly as a great champ with a little less skill/finesse, and a ton more heart than most. the middle weight div is my favorite, and he has made me a huge fan of it again.

[Kobe Bryant]

No. That's not a fair assessment. He knocked people out on his way to the mw championship. Then took a rematch at a catch weight and got the decision over a very determined Taylor.

He earned his stripes and there was no luck in what he did. Especially since he knocked guys out. You can say a decsion was lucky but he put guys away.

[deanrw]

I don't consider Pavlik a great champion, but a solid champion at this point. He has faced adversity against some very good opposition and overcame it. I predicted he would lose to both Miranda and Taylor and he crushed both of them.

I then realized what I was seeing in the ring was not a sloppy, kinda weak looking fighter, but an enormously strong fighter with underrated skills. In the second taylor fight, he proved he could box some also. Maybe in some upcoming fights he will show more of what he has.

I will give him these traits, which I think is contributing to his success.

1: Jab (very long, decently fast and with great power.)
2: Power ( he has above average power and delivers them over and over)
3: Straight Punching (This may be the biggest thing in his favor. His punches are very straight and can thread the needle of any fighter. The shortest distance between two objects is a straight line and it also helps with his lack of speed)
4: Determination: (You will not find a guy more determined than this guy)
5: Finisher: (You will not find a better finisher. If he gets you hurt, he will get you)

You can also mix size, reach, strength and tenacity into the mix. He also has a wide effective punching range, he is good at inside and outside fighting, which is somewhat rare. He is more well rounded than what we see with our eyes.

I think those traits are able to overcome his lack of finesse, speed and sloppy footwork. He still has a long way to go to be considered great, and if he does lose, the winner will know after the fight that they were in a tough one. He will test the heart and will of any fighter he faces.

[Gareth Ivanovic]

He still has some fights to win to be a truely great champion. I feel he definitely worked his way to be the champ right now and it wasn't easy. Beating a tough Miranda and beating JT twice. I still think some people downplay what kind of champ he is because he's not very fast, seems to throw that one-two quite often and isn't a physical looking specimen. The thing is though is he does what he does well and has good heart and determination. Plus he's potent with both hands. We'll find out more after a while though in his next big fights.

[Dynamite Kid]

I don't consider Pavlik a great champion, but a solid champion at this point. He has faced adversity against some very good opposition and overcame it. I predicted he would lose to both Miranda and Taylor and he crushed both of them.

I then realized what I was seeing in the ring was not a sloppy, kinda weak looking fighter, but an enormously strong fighter with underrated skills. In the second taylor fight, he proved he could box some also. Maybe in some upcoming fights he will show more of what he has.

I will give him these traits, which I think is contributing to his success.

1: Jab (very long, decently fast and with great power.)
2: Power ( he has above average power and delivers them over and over)
3: Straight Punching (This may be the biggest thing in his favor. His punches are very straight and can thread the needle of any fighter. The shortest distance between two objects is a straight line and it also helps with his lack of speed)
4: Determination: (You will not find a guy more determined than this guy)
5: Finisher: (You will not find a better finisher. If he gets you hurt, he will get you)

You can also mix size, reach, strength and tenacity into the mix. He also has a wide effective punching range, he is good at inside and outside fighting, which is somewhat rare. He is more well rounded than what we see with our eyes.

I think those traits are able to overcome his lack of finesse, speed and sloppy footwork. He still has a long way to go to be considered great, and if he does lose, the winner will know after the fight that they were in a tough one. He will test the heart and will of any fighter he faces.

good post

dont get me wrong i like watching Pavlik fight & i do think he is a good fighter but i dont think he is in that Elite Level i see Pavlik on the same level as guys like of Eubank ,Benn ,very good fighters but just shy of Elite IMO

i aint saying Taylor is chinny but lets face it if he had a chin like Hopkins ,Toney ,Calzaghe ,Eubank ,he would not have been knocked out by Pavlik & hurt by Winky & Hopkins ,Pavlik put Miranda away granted but Miranda was clearly overated ,Howard Eastman had Miranda going aswell & Eastman aint exactly a puncher

good wins but Taylor & Miranda had bigger reputations than they deserved IMO