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[The Gambler1981]

If PBF was boxing during a different time I am sure he would have been pretty great and if he wanted to make money he would have played the game of the era, because he still would have been all about money in the past so he would have had to do the volume to cash in. What do you consider the current era of boxing then 75 to now, 85 to now, 95 to now. I want to know when people became less tough.

[Ryn0]

The first 2 Robinson-lamotta fights were fixed i believe. To me your belief is ludacris and you are way to romantic(idealistic) in your views. It is a different game now that why you should not compare.

Just because some dude has 178 win with 150 kayos does not mean he is better then some dude that has 45 fight with 37 kayos in an actual fight.

How much have you seen of any fight pre 1960 to say how great they truly are. If you see fights from then they are likely special fights and not some mundane **** that show some weakness.

Also im not agruing specifics its impossible to say who would win past or present in any given fight.

Condition and knowledge of the human body are atleast 5 times greater today tehn 100 years ago. We have learned so much about health, nutrition, how the human body works. I do not see how fighters today could be lesser athletes then today's boxers

Also just because they will not allow you to go on against your own health like they used to should not be held against todays fighters.

then why does it seem like so many fighters gas before the full 12 when the real championship fighters went the full 15 WITHOUT gasing. It's because for all the muscle that they can develop now it detracts from stamina. Boxing is different from other sports because it uses a combination of attributes and nothing seems to have improved significantly.

eg.
Football (soccer)= stamina, technique and power in the feet
American Football + Rugby = Expolosive power, speed, stamina
Golf = technique, accuracy
Racketsports (tennis, Badminton) = Stamina, power, speed, prisision and accuracy

Boxing factors in soo many other things; desire, heart, physical strength, punching power, speed (of foot and hand), stamina, accuracy, experience, timing.
Things like heart, desire etc cannot be improved

[KingTito]

It's a tough comparison to make. Naturally humans evolve and become more physically gifted. Times were a lot different back then though.

[The Gambler1981]

Fighters paced them selves differently for 15 round fights also plenty of people gassed in 13 14 15 thats why they were the championship rounds. I dunno if you know there are going to be 15 ronds you should be able to prepare for it no matter the era.


Your right that intangibles should not get any better but they should also not be worse. People still want to win.

[The Gambler1981]

Also im not saying ALL fighters today are greater then All fighters of the past, but that old timers are not on some unreachable plane where they could not be deated in anyway by anyone today.

[Ryn0]

Fighters paced them selves differently for 15 round fights also plenty of people gassed in 13 14 15 thats why they were the championship rounds. I dunno if you know there are going to be 15 ronds you should be able to prepare for it no matter the era.


Your right that intangibles should not get any better but they should also not be worse. People still want to win.

Yes but thats why boxing hasn't advanced as much as other sports. I think SRR would beat ANY fighter at welter, personally at MW i thinks Hagler and monzon would beat him. But i still rate him P4P number 1.
I think as fighters get further away their faults are forgotten and the bias falls away. People will blast Floyd now cause he can be boring and trash talking and a ****ing wuss. but 20 years from now people will look back and see a master Boxer and forget about his flaws.

[The Gambler1981]

I have no beef with SRR as the greatest i just hate when people make him out to be some unbeatable fighting machine. He is just a man like anyone else and in my eyes any man can be beaten.

[Ryn0]

I have no beef with SRR as the greatest i just hate when people make him out to be some unbeatable fighting machine. He is just a man like anyone else and in my eyes any man can be beaten.

he can be beaten, but it would take someone special to beat him. I think Hagler and Monzon would beat him I said that but i don't think there better fighters. he isn't untouchable but hes as close as were going to get right now.

[The Gambler1981]

he can be beaten, but it would take someone special to beat him. I think Hagler and Monzon would beat him I said that but i don't think there better fighters. he isn't untouchable but hes as close as were going to get right now.

Thanks for the good conversation, while i may see things a little different i see your point. I just do not think boxing got worse or boxers in general. Also when people are all over PBF **** 20 years from now I will bring it up how fighters 20 years from now are not worse then PBF.

[Boogie Nights]

I have no beef with SRR as the greatest i just hate when people make him out to be some unbeatable fighting machine. He is just a man like anyone else and in my eyes any man can be beaten.

please, you said 2 of his fights with la motta were fixed. that's just disrespectful. you basing your opinion on jake's ties with the mob, and that's a legit reason to say that robinson took a dive.