Was Muhammad Ali a bum?

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Totally agree his the top heavyweight of ATG but not the greatest of P4P of ATG.

Ok if he isnt the greatest P4P ever then who is sir? Honestly people forget how good he was before he lost his boxing license. He lost over 3 years to the US government. In those three years he might have won another 12-15 fights maybe more. Most of the fights shown of Ali now are when he was past his prime. Three of his biggest fights Frazier II and III and Foreman Ali was not the same boxer still great but he didn't move like he did prior to his 3 year lay off. Ali P4P king greatest HW of all time. I put him up against any one out there and I say at the end of the day all said and done I win my money. I come out on top. You cant measure the qualities that this man had heart, determination and the desire to be the best....Lefty

[Dynamite Kid]

Ok if he isnt the greatest P4P ever then who is sir? Honestly people forget how good he was before he lost his boxing license. He lost over 3 years to the US government. In those three years he might have won another 12-15 fights maybe more. Most of the fights shown of Ali now are when he was past his prime. Three of his biggest fights Frazier II and III and Foreman Ali was not the same boxer still great but he didn't move like he did prior to his 3 year lay off. Ali P4P king greatest HW of all time. I put him up against any one out there and I say at the end of the day all said and done I win my money. I come out on top. You cant measure the qualities that this man had heart, determination and the desire to be the best....Lefty

This is a reallly pointless thing to argue, because most of Ali's oponents that will be mentioned will be overrated because they fought Ali

Holmes better HW than Ali

[The Jackal]

Ok if he isnt the greatest P4P ever then who is sir? Honestly people forget how good he was before he lost his boxing license. He lost over 3 years to the US government. In those three years he might have won another 12-15 fights maybe more. Most of the fights shown of Ali now are when he was past his prime. Three of his biggest fights Frazier II and III and Foreman Ali was not the same boxer still great but he didn't move like he did prior to his 3 year lay off. Ali P4P king greatest HW of all time. I put him up against any one out there and I say at the end of the day all said and done I win my money. I come out on top. You cant measure the qualities that this man had heart, determination and the desire to be the best....Lefty

I like to look at Ali when he beat Liston & my favourite is Cleveland Williams IMO its his greatest show of everything power speed etc brill im not making an argument but Sugar Ray Robinson is the best P4P fighter of ATG even Ali said himself P4P Robinson would beat me Ali's own words.

[Dynamite Kid]

I like to look at Ali when he beat Liston & my favourite is Cleveland Williams IMO its his greatest show of everything power speed etc brill im not making an argument but Sugar Ray Robinson is the best P4P fighter of ATG even Ali said himself P4P Robinson would beat me Ali's own words.

And lets be honest Lewis,Holmes would destroy Cleveland Williams with ease aswell

[The Jackal]

And lets be honest Lewis,Holmes would destroy Cleveland Williams with ease aswell

Im not getting into an argument hear top P4P heavy will always bring arguments Holmes has the greatest jab the business has seen yes they would beat Williams but they'd get hit more than 3 times.

Whats your top 5 fighters of ATG?

[Mr. Ryan]

The kind of man Ali was OUTSIDE the ring is far from great...

1. He had no love or respect for the country which had been so good to him, and refused to fight for the US, saying ******s don't believe in war, which is obviously not true
2. He called Joe Frazier an "uncle Tom" and a gorilla
3. He had a big mouth and behaved childishly
4. He treated women without respect
5. He professed to be a ******, and yet went against his faith by cheating on his wives repeatedly, having a great number of affairs and hiring many **********s (this "religious" man was known to have as many as ten hookers after a fight)
6. He had no respect for anyone, calling many top fighters "bums"

His arrogance and disrespect set a bad example for young people.

So he was a boxer? I hate to break this to you, but boxers, and athletes in general, are hardly saints. Someone could break down you or I and give a list of reasons why we are not good people, doesn't make it any more viable than your case though, does it?

[bsrizpac]

The kind of man Ali was OUTSIDE the ring is far from great...

1. He had no love or respect for the country which had been so good to him, and refused to fight for the US, saying ******s don't believe in war, which is obviously not true
2. He called Joe Frazier an "uncle Tom" and a gorilla
3. He had a big mouth and behaved childishly
4. He treated women without respect
5. He professed to be a ******, and yet went against his faith by cheating on his wives repeatedly, having a great number of affairs and hiring many **********s (this "religious" man was known to have as many as ten hookers after a fight)
6. He had no respect for anyone, calling many top fighters "bums"

His arrogance and disrespect set a bad example for young people.

Don't you mean because he was black? You are a joke.

[Dynamite Kid]

Im not getting into an argument hear top P4P heavy will always bring arguments Holmes has the greatest jab the business has seen yes they would beat Williams but they'd get hit more than 3 times.

Whats your top 5 fighters of ATG?

i dont really have one they always provoke too much controversy

[BattlingNelson]

The kind of man Ali was OUTSIDE the ring is far from great...

1. He had no love or respect for the country which had been so good to him, and refused to fight for the US, saying ******s don't believe in war, which is obviously not true.

The vietnamese Viet cong was better to him. They never called him a n!gger.

Ali did say some bad things, I'll give you that. But it was always intended to be funny. And yes he might have pulled the Frazier ridicule a tad to far.

[The Jackal]

i dont really have one they always provoke too much controversy

SI SI .Ali the man & Ali the boxer are 2 different things ive just seen enough on this thread to justify that Ali had class as a fighter but some of his behaviour outside the ring have to be unarmored but the fact he didn't fight in Vietnam he has to be given credit there but some of the stuff he said to Frazier are unforgivable as Frazier is still angry & hurt by those insults & slurs on his character.
Me neither man very hard to pick an ATG list