yeah..... dude red k'd me too..... just not as bad as you cats.
he also has an alt called Jim Jeffries that he likes to give red k hits from..... watch out for that one LMAO
"Ali was a bum"
thanks Tunney u ****in idiot..... i can now consider every comment u make from now on in that context.
Holy ****. THats one person who SHOULDNT be alowed to have infinite Karma... He calls me a Wladimr Klitschko hater when I try to be realistic about him, even though Im clearly a fan....
When the smaller, shorter armed Tua got busy after the 5th, he also outjabbed Ike giving him much trouble in the rounds he most clearly lost. I think Vitali would simply jab Ike to death. Like Rahman, Ike only really showed huge volume punching against the stationary Tua and most of that was jabs that he had trouble really landing clean. Vitali wouldn't trade with him on the inside either.
Ike would look better getting his volume punches off on a stationary target yes, although volume punches are also a weapon against pure boxers. I see him being able to get inside of the siff Klitschko and pressthe action. He is definitely strong enough to get the job done and Vitali's power certainly wouldn't be a problem. To me, it seems like both of the Klitschko's are not well fighting back and has always had trouble against pressure fighters that makes them work. An out of shape but still decent Sanders actually had Vitali hurt in one of the early rounds. Ibeabuchi has great stamina and he doesn't fade. He has the ability to bring educated pressure to get inside and use his long jab. At times, he was out boxing Byrd in the center of the ring and thats never been done before. I think people tend to underestimate his techincal skills when they see the Tua fight.
"Ike would look better getting his volume punches off on a stationary target yes, although volume punches are also a weapon against pure boxers. "
Ike really wasn't a Marciano or Frazier like effective volume puncher/swarmer. In the one fight he put up those numbers it was mostly sloppy jabs against a smaller stationary fighter who Rahman also managed to set record comp box stats against. (I feel Tua won most of the rounds after 4 by the way) Byrd out landed Ike before the knockout as well. The only other noteworthy fighter he fought was sloppy bum Clavin Jones who was actually able to protect himself on the ropes against Ike's wild volume punching and even back him off at points with wide haymakers and jabs before throwing out his shoulder in the second round.
"I see him being able to get inside of the siff Klitschko and pressthe action. He is definitely strong enough to get the job done and Vitali's power certainly wouldn't be a problem. To me, it seems like both of the Klitschko's are not well fighting back and has always had trouble against pressure fighters that makes them work. An out of shape but still decent Sanders actually had Vitali hurt in one of the early rounds. "
Again, I don't see how people use the Sanders fight as evidence of Vitali's vunerability against pressure fighters; it essentially proves the exact opposite. Even at 240+ Sanders had more noteworthy 1-3 round early knockouts than Ike. Regardless of weight it was claer the guy was always a dangerous early round killer that quickly faded and gassed. Even when he was fresh in the early rounds, Sanders couldn't touch Vitali when he was on his backfoot. Just once he caught Vitali with a good counter while he was coming in and he not only took it well but responded well by not letting Sanders touch him again when he tried to press. Everbody gets caught and hurt; it is how they react that is important and I don't see any evidence that Vitali would fold under power shots.
"Ibeabuchi has great stamina and he doesn't fade. He has the ability to bring educated pressure to get inside and use his long jab. At times, he was out boxing Byrd in the center of the ring and thats never been done before. I think people tend to underestimate his techincal skills when they see the Tua fight."
Again Ike faded against Tua and gave up most of the late rounds, a fact you continue to ignore when I bring it up with evidence. Struggling to stay inshape and active, he also fatigued against Byrd before catching him with a killer punch on the ropes. He still kept up an impressive workrrate but the guy was human, he got tried, and was even hurt and holding on at the end of 11th against Tua(he never held before I don't think). He was a human being regardless of the almost mythical status his brief career has took on.
As far as Ike outboxing Byrd in the center of the ring...Just NO! Regardless of what Lederman had, Byrd made Ike look like a clown for the first two rounds. Problem is that in round 3, Ike just started pushing through Byrd's punches and muscling him into the ropes. The undersized Byrd just didn't have the power to hold him, push him off, or back him up with his punches. Byrd still fought well off the ropes, he just got caught with a killer shot. Ike never outboxed Byrd or outjabbed him in the traditional sense of the word. Ike's very words before the fight was that he needed to be the Foreman to his Moorer.
I don't see Ike's jab having much effect on Vitali, who out jabbed the longer armed Lewis with no trouble. As said, Ike was getting outjabbed by Tua in the middle rounds and beyond for ****'s sake. I see Ike not having an answer to Vitali's jab and right hand leads, getting held on the inside, and losing a wide decision. Remeber how the one handed Tua scored with the right hand lead at will on Ike, now picture Vitali doing the same. Ouch.
Last edited by Thunder Lips; 05-11-2008, 06:46 PM.
You have a serious grudge against Vitali for sure.
And your mouth has some serious issues from sucking on on Vitai's nuts.
You, and WLAD OWNS must have the same disease. You know. Sitting in your underoo's, signed by the CHAMP.
Misspelled something? Maybe. The HW's are a ****ing JOKE. And your two ****ing clowns are the punch line.
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