The ONLY reason OSCARS JAB worked against FLOYD is because...

[-Hyperion-]

pttt...im the biggest winky fan in this site...his jab is not better than oscars....theyre completely different as to judge them.....but if i had to chose which jab id like to throw, i would pick oscars...

[supermandathoe]

Let me put it to you simply. There is no adapting to Oscars jab. That is like saying you can adapt to getting hit by a freight train. You can't.

His jab is too strong, too quick, and too educated to adapt too. People forget that even though Oscar has a great left hook, He has always won fights with his jab.

It it obvious that you have no in ring experience. A jab is a dangerous weapon. It hurts a lot more than it looks, and a good jab is very very hard to deal with.

It actually depends on the jab he throws he can either turn it or let it go palm down. Palm down is faster but turning it (as I am sure you know) gives it more snap. He can turn it with the best of them for sure.

[-Hyperion-]

Because he saw it working?

exactly roach saw it working so he recommended oscar to use it...but with no drive...no urgency and it clearly wasnt part of the original plan...which is why i thought he was a big mistake as a trainer...he gave oscar a plan to look like he was pushing the fight a lot flurry and steal rounds...a good plan honestly.....but he forgot to take into account the fact that since oscar's stealing fights maneuvers have always been hated, no one would give him credit for them...(im always of teh idea that primarily, you have to go with what you do best...)and that every little thing mayweather did counts by 10x because it's mayweateher...

[Dynamite Kid]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Oscars jab worked against Floyd because Oscar has the best jab in the business. There is nothing you can do to prepare for Oscars jab. You will not find a sparing partner with a jab like his, you will not find a drill for dealing with a jab like his.

Couple that with the fact that Floyds weakest defense is against the jab, and you have a formula for a jab oriented fight.

I think most of the reason the Jab was no used as much has to do with Freddy Roach. I think Roach basically trained Oscar to go in there and rough Floyd up.

Oscar has never and will never be that kind of a fighter. He likes to stay on his toes, pick his spots, work his jab, and flurry.

No offense to Freddie Roach, but it is quite obvious why PacMan has failed to develop as a boxer.

Oscar's jab is quite simply, a bazooka. Even if you catch it, you will feel it. He Jabs you in the shoulder, you will fall off balance.

u maybe right there its true he is not an out and out aggressive Hurricane like Pacman

and when u here Dela Hoya comments on the 1st fight he does make a point of saying he fought to aggresively at times
which could point to Roch getting Oscar to employ a more attack minded approach

[warp1432]

Did 10x more because it's Mayweather? No way man. DLH clearly would get more recongnition for every shot he throws then Mayweather. It was appereant by this in the Whitaker fight (which I thought Oscar won), the Floyd fight when the crowd would go nuts when DLH would throw flurries that wouldn't land at all, or Tommy Kazmerick's scorecard for Oscar...

[Kball15]

exactly roach saw it working so he recommended oscar to use it...but with no drive...no urgency and it clearly wasnt part of the original plan...which is why i thought he was a big mistake as a trainer...he gave oscar a plan to look like he was pushing the fight a lot flurry and steal rounds...a good plan honestly.....but he forgot to take into account the fact that since oscar's stealing fights maneuvers have always been hated, no one would give him credit for them...(im always of teh idea that primarily, you have to go with what you do best...)and that every little thing mayweather did counts by 10x because it's mayweateher...

First of all, r u saying that DLH won??? Are u aware that almost nothing Oscar threw landed? And i don't even mean that it only landed a little bit. No, almost everything effective that Oscar threw, outside of the jab, was blocked. He landed 1 great right hand while floyd was shimmying along the ropes, and that was it until that mini exchange at the end.


And second of all, regardless of whether or not the jab was a part of their gameplan, the only reason it worked is because he hardly ever threw it.

I have no need to explain myself, since u'll all see for urselves in September when Oscar comes out throwing 10 jabs a second, and still loses clearly

[warp1432]

I remember Hyperion scoring it 116-112 for Floyd so I don't think he did.

I had it 115-113 for Floyd. Gave Oscar 2,6,7,8. 8 could have gone either way.

[kayjay]

Winky's jab is 50x better then Oscars. Winky has won fights with ONLY his jab. Oscar couldnt do that if he had 10 tries.

Wlad's is much better than Winky's. Wlad throws it from more angles, faster and with more power p4p. Also his is never countered, no one would even try.

[-Hyperion-]

I remember Hyperion scoring it 116-112 for Floyd so I don't think he did.

I had it 115-113 for Floyd. Gave Oscar 2,6,7,8. 8 could have gone either way.

actually, no i said i could easily see floyd winning 116-112...but my official scorecard of that fight after the re watch was 115-113 or 115-114 floyd...but honeslty i could see a way in which oscar won...and thats why i say boxing fans overrate mayweather....the threat of oscars power kept him so defensive that he almost lost even in the scorecard of jerry roth(who we all know hates oscar de la hoya...)

let me put it this way..if oscar was an unknown but respected-liked fighter with status and mayweather was good unknown fighter and they had that same fight, oscar woud've won, and no one would ***** about it...


the inflated compubox numbers are an indicator of how mayweather gets more credit than he should...

[QUISQUEYA]

Trying to counter over Oscars jab is a bad idea. You do that once, and I guarantee that next time, Oscar doubles the jab.

Suddenly, Oscar's jab is indefensible?