***De La Hoya V. Forbes AND De Le Hoya V. Mayweather***

[frankpaganini]

First off lets start off tonight with the De la Hoya v. Forbes fight.

Oscar showed some new things in the ring; he started off relaxed (as the HBO broadcast team eluded to several times in the fight); he used his jab consistantly and often; he picked off punches with his gloves; and even used slight headmovement to avoid punches. He was also on his feet for majority of the fight. 11 rounds to 1; 11 rounds to 1; and 12 rounds to none; basically what i expected tonight from oscar. he out landed; out punched steve forbes and at a higher connect percentage at that...thoughly beat him; on the inside; on the outside; etc.

Thats the strong points for oscar during the fight.

what i'd like to see different from de la hoya is a tune-up on defense; and not so many periods of starring...there were several points he and forbes stood there bouncing and looking at each other. oscar shouldnt try to spend so much time out-thinking his opponenet rather than just fight his opponent in the manner his team's gameplan calls for.

Steve Forbes deserves a ton of credit for going all 12 rounds for oscar and even showboating at times as if he's winning the fight. oscar landed some good shots and forbes came back with some of his own. i believe he fought a very spirited fight and that deserves recognition.

Now i firmly believe (even more so than before) that oscar v. floyd II needs to happen.

We seen a much different de la hoya tonight who most notable DIDNT FADE DOWN THE STRETCH. This was, in my opinion (besides the lack of jab use) the reason de la hoya lost the first fight down the stretch.

Regardless of Forbes being a "tune-up" fight it still proved de la hoya can sustain his endurance down the strech and the level of competition shouldnt have much impact on the ability to maintain stamina. forbes punched a LOT more than mayweather did in the first fight which made oscar work even harder; and if memory serves me right oscar punched more in this fight and stay on his feet/movement a lot more than in the mayweather fight) so he should be able to survive down the stretch with ease.

maybe from coming down from 154 to 150. maybe those 4 pounds made a difference...maybe an extra 3 lbs from 150 to 147 will further help.

I give oscar a very legit chance of winning the fight against mayweather; he showed it tonight that he can still fight down the stretch and turn back the clock (i agree with the HBO team that he looked like he did about 7 years ago; i wouldnt say 10 like steward said; but 7 is a fair estimate).

Biggest downside for oscar is that he's reflexes went down a bit; and it showed...but for being 35 and seeing how he's done as of late this is a big boost...tune-up fight or not.

If Oscar makes a few adjustments from tonight in preparation for mayweather he can pull it off...

I'm excited for Oscar v. Floyd II in September and my predicition is the same as last time around; Oscar De La Hoya by a close split decision.

[Burner]

First off lets start off tonight with the De la Hoya v. Forbes fight.

Oscar showed some new things in the ring; he started off relaxed (as the HBO broadcast team eluded to several times in the fight); he used his jab consistantly and often; he picked off punches with his gloves; and even used slight headmovement to avoid punches. He was also on his feet for majority of the fight. 11 rounds to 1; 11 rounds to 1; and 12 rounds to none; basically what i expected tonight from oscar. he out landed; out punched steve forbes and at a higher connect percentage at that...thoughly beat him; on the inside; on the outside; etc.

Thats the strong points for oscar during the fight.

what i'd like to see different from de la hoya is a tune-up on defense; and not so many periods of starring...there were several points he and forbes stood there bouncing and looking at each other. oscar shouldnt try to spend so much time out-thinking his opponenet rather than just fight his opponent in the manner his team's gameplan calls for.

Steve Forbes deserves a ton of credit for going all 12 rounds for oscar and even showboating at times as if he's winning the fight. oscar landed some good shots and forbes came back with some of his own. i believe he fought a very spirited fight and that deserves recognition.

Now i firmly believe (even more so than before) that oscar v. floyd II needs to happen.

We seen a much different de la hoya tonight who most notable DIDNT FADE DOWN THE STRETCH. This was, in my opinion (besides the lack of jab use) the reason de la hoya lost the first fight down the stretch.

Regardless of Forbes being a "tune-up" fight it still proved de la hoya can sustain his endurance down the strech and the level of competition shouldnt have much impact on the ability to maintain stamina. forbes punched a LOT more than mayweather did in the first fight which made oscar work even harder; and if memory serves me right oscar punched more in this fight and stay on his feet/movement a lot more than in the mayweather fight) so he should be able to survive down the stretch with ease.

maybe from coming down from 154 to 150. maybe those 4 pounds made a difference...maybe an extra 3 lbs from 150 to 147 will further help.

I give oscar a very legit chance of winning the fight against mayweather; he showed it tonight that he can still fight down the stretch and turn back the clock (i agree with the HBO team that he looked like he did about 7 years ago; i wouldnt say 10 like steward said; but 7 is a fair estimate).

Biggest downside for oscar is that he's reflexes went down a bit; and it showed...but for being 35 and seeing how he's done as of late this is a big boost...tune-up fight or not.

If Oscar makes a few adjustments from tonight in preparation for mayweather he can pull it off...

I'm excited for Oscar v. Floyd II in September and my predicition is the same as last time around; Oscar De La Hoya by a close split decision.

Steve Forbes is not Floyd ***ing Mayweather.

[frankpaganini]

Steve Forbes is not Floyd ***ing Mayweather.

I never said Forbes is Mayweather or even close.

What i AM saying is oscar solved some of the problems from the mayweather fight...

A) He didnt fade down the stretch.

I dont care WHO you fight; a world class elite p4p fighter; or a bum...70 punches a round is still 70 punches a round...floyd used 35 punches a round on AVERAGE against de la hoya in their fight. So oscar still had to stay game; on his toes for those 12 rounds to avoid those 70 punches without fading (and he did)...Oscar also used more punches this fight than he did against mayweather...

so oscar worked more; and had more punches coming his way in this fight than he did against mayweather and didnt fade; his endurance/stamina looks better than it has in YEARS.

This is one of the key reasons oscar lost the first fight; he gave up the last half of the fight due to being exhausted. he paced himself this time around; conserved energy without taking much pause during the rounds...

B) He stayed on his toes a lot more; not only did he not fade; he looked alive in there; once again competition has little bearing on whether or not you get tired.

I think those 2 reasons (combined with him using the jab more often like he did tonight) will play a MAJOR role against floyd mayweather jr. those keys were his biggest reasons as to WHY he lost so if those problems are solved (even to an extent) it will make a difference and possibly alter the outcome of the fight.

im in no way dismissing mayweather (or the fact this was forbes; not mayweather) but im saying he has just as good a chance as last time; and having floyd sr in his corner will only help.

[Burner]

I never said Forbes is Mayweather or even close.

What i AM saying is oscar solved some of the problems from the mayweather fight...

A) He didnt fade down the stretch.

I dont care WHO you fight; a world class elite p4p fighter; or a bum...70 punches a round is still 70 punches a round...floyd used 35 punches a round on AVERAGE against de la hoya in their fight. So oscar still had to stay game; on his toes for those 12 rounds to avoid those 70 punches without fading (and he did)...Oscar also used more punches this fight than he did against mayweather...

so oscar worked more; and had more punches coming his way in this fight than he did against mayweather and didnt fade; his endurance/stamina looks better than it has in YEARS.

This is one of the key reasons oscar lost the first fight; he gave up the last half of the fight due to being exhausted. he paced himself this time around; conserved energy without taking much pause during the rounds...

B) He stayed on his toes a lot more; not only did he not fade; he looked alive in there; once again competition has little bearing on whether or not you get tired.

I think those 2 reasons (combined with him using the jab more often like he did tonight) will play a MAJOR role against floyd mayweather jr. those keys were his biggest reasons as to WHY he lost so if those problems are solved (even to an extent) it will make a difference and possibly alter the outcome of the fight.

im in no way dismissing mayweather (or the fact this was forbes; not mayweather) but im saying he has just as good a chance as last time; and having floyd sr in his corner will only help.

I cant even guage what Oscar did......If I wanted to watch Oscar practice I wpould watch him on the mits or hitting the bag..this fight only showed me that Oscar is easy to hit...he cant land his money punch any more(the left hook)..he didnt hit Floyd or Forbes with it....hes not very accurate....he wastes energy on pointless flurries...he has no foot movement....or head movement....and dare I say NO power anymore..

Floyd is on another planet then a 36 year old Oscar right now....Floyd will either TKO oscar or win every round wide.

[raabd]

First off lets start off tonight with the De la Hoya v. Forbes fight.

Oscar showed some new things in the ring; he started off relaxed (as the HBO broadcast team eluded to several times in the fight); he used his jab consistantly and often; he picked off punches with his gloves; and even used slight headmovement to avoid punches. He was also on his feet for majority of the fight. 11 rounds to 1; 11 rounds to 1; and 12 rounds to none; basically what i expected tonight from oscar. he out landed; out punched steve forbes and at a higher connect percentage at that...thoughly beat him; on the inside; on the outside; etc.

Thats the strong points for oscar during the fight.

what i'd like to see different from de la hoya is a tune-up on defense; and not so many periods of starring...there were several points he and forbes stood there bouncing and looking at each other. oscar shouldnt try to spend so much time out-thinking his opponenet rather than just fight his opponent in the manner his team's gameplan calls for.

Steve Forbes deserves a ton of credit for going all 12 rounds for oscar and even showboating at times as if he's winning the fight. oscar landed some good shots and forbes came back with some of his own. i believe he fought a very spirited fight and that deserves recognition.

Now i firmly believe (even more so than before) that oscar v. floyd II needs to happen.

We seen a much different de la hoya tonight who most notable DIDNT FADE DOWN THE STRETCH. This was, in my opinion (besides the lack of jab use) the reason de la hoya lost the first fight down the stretch.

Regardless of Forbes being a "tune-up" fight it still proved de la hoya can sustain his endurance down the strech and the level of competition shouldnt have much impact on the ability to maintain stamina. forbes punched a LOT more than mayweather did in the first fight which made oscar work even harder; and if memory serves me right oscar punched more in this fight and stay on his feet/movement a lot more than in the mayweather fight) so he should be able to survive down the stretch with ease.

maybe from coming down from 154 to 150. maybe those 4 pounds made a difference...maybe an extra 3 lbs from 150 to 147 will further help.

I give oscar a very legit chance of winning the fight against mayweather; he showed it tonight that he can still fight down the stretch and turn back the clock (i agree with the HBO team that he looked like he did about 7 years ago; i wouldnt say 10 like steward said; but 7 is a fair estimate).

Biggest downside for oscar is that he's reflexes went down a bit; and it showed...but for being 35 and seeing how he's done as of late this is a big boost...tune-up fight or not.

If Oscar makes a few adjustments from tonight in preparation for mayweather he can pull it off...

I'm excited for Oscar v. Floyd II in September and my predicition is the same as last time around; Oscar De La Hoya by a close split decision.

Great post. I thought oscar looked solid. Not outstanding but solid. Forbes is no push over, he has a great chin. As soon as I logged on I saw a lot of threads bashing oscar's performance and I was wondering if we were watching the same fight. I think oscar will still lose to floyd but he has a better chance of beating him than anyone else I can think of (including cotto).

[STEELHEAD]

First off lets start off tonight with the De la Hoya v. Forbes fight.

Oscar showed some new things in the ring; he started off relaxed (as the HBO broadcast team eluded to several times in the fight); he used his jab consistantly and often; he picked off punches with his gloves; and even used slight headmovement to avoid punches. He was also on his feet for majority of the fight. 11 rounds to 1; 11 rounds to 1; and 12 rounds to none; basically what i expected tonight from oscar. he out landed; out punched steve forbes and at a higher connect percentage at that...thoughly beat him; on the inside; on the outside; etc.

Thats the strong points for oscar during the fight.

what i'd like to see different from de la hoya is a tune-up on defense; and not so many periods of starring...there were several points he and forbes stood there bouncing and looking at each other. oscar shouldnt try to spend so much time out-thinking his opponenet rather than just fight his opponent in the manner his team's gameplan calls for.

Steve Forbes deserves a ton of credit for going all 12 rounds for oscar and even showboating at times as if he's winning the fight. oscar landed some good shots and forbes came back with some of his own. i believe he fought a very spirited fight and that deserves recognition.

Now i firmly believe (even more so than before) that oscar v. floyd II needs to happen.

We seen a much different de la hoya tonight who most notable DIDNT FADE DOWN THE STRETCH. This was, in my opinion (besides the lack of jab use) the reason de la hoya lost the first fight down the stretch.

Regardless of Forbes being a "tune-up" fight it still proved de la hoya can sustain his endurance down the strech and the level of competition shouldnt have much impact on the ability to maintain stamina. forbes punched a LOT more than mayweather did in the first fight which made oscar work even harder; and if memory serves me right oscar punched more in this fight and stay on his feet/movement a lot more than in the mayweather fight) so he should be able to survive down the stretch with ease.

maybe from coming down from 154 to 150. maybe those 4 pounds made a difference...maybe an extra 3 lbs from 150 to 147 will further help.

I give oscar a very legit chance of winning the fight against mayweather; he showed it tonight that he can still fight down the stretch and turn back the clock (i agree with the HBO team that he looked like he did about 7 years ago; i wouldnt say 10 like steward said; but 7 is a fair estimate).

Biggest downside for oscar is that he's reflexes went down a bit; and it showed...but for being 35 and seeing how he's done as of late this is a big boost...tune-up fight or not.

If Oscar makes a few adjustments from tonight in preparation for mayweather he can pull it off...

I'm excited for Oscar v. Floyd II in September and my predicition is the same as last time around; Oscar De La Hoya by a close split decision.

i dont know.
you see i think the oscar that lost against floyd would of got forbes out of there.
yes he started out relaxed. i gave the first round to forbes. reflexes, punching speed were slower.
one year later and he's aged.
i thought those stairing sessions he had was because he was waiting for stevie to throw so he could counter. so stevie staired back and didnt throw was causious.
i wouldnt think of paying for oscar/floyd anyway. even more so now.
cotto/margarito yeahsss

[MnTwins24]

Dont worry Frank there are people who aren't idiots on this site that see what actually happened tonight like you did.

[frankpaganini]

I cant even guage what Oscar did......If I wanted to watch Oscar practice I wpould watch him on the mits or hitting the bag..this fight only showed me that Oscar is easy to hit...he cant land his money punch any more(the left hook)..he didnt hit Floyd or Forbes with it....hes not very accurate....he wastes energy on pointless flurries...he has no foot movement....or head movement....and dare I say NO power anymore..

Floyd is on another planet then a 36 year old Oscar right now....Floyd will either TKO oscar or win every round wide.

If you mean he didnt land his left hook in terms of knockout then you're right; if you are saying he didnt land it at all then you're wrong.

he landed the left hook against both; but not to the extent of a knockout or knockdown or even damagingly but he also didnt sit on the left hook everytime he used it and look who were talking about; forbes and mayweather; two fighters who never been knockedout.

just 2 years ago (against mayorga) he knocked him down with a great left hook.

after seeing tonight's fight you are certain he doesnt have foot movement?

he does; not like he did in his prime but he's still got some left.

headmovent is true; he lacks that.

the flurries i believe were for the fans to be honest; for majority of the fight he didnt flurry inappropriately.

and floyd will NOT KO/TKO Oscar OR win every round.

thats not going to happen...no way; no how and you would be EXTREMELY hardpressed to find more than 3 (not counting the 14 year old nuthuggers) people on this forum to agree with you and i'd even bet points on it that it doesnt turn out like that.

[frankpaganini]

Great post. I thought oscar looked solid. Not outstanding but solid. Forbes is no push over, he has a great chin. As soon as I logged on I saw a lot of threads bashing oscar's performance and I was wondering if we were watching the same fight. I think oscar will still lose to floyd but he has a better chance of beating him than anyone else I can think of (including cotto).

Oscar did look solid...not exactly oscar of 10 years ago; but definately improved.

Forbes WAS a tune-up fight and a fighter who didnt pack a mean punch but he has boxing ability (he's sparred with floyd jr; and worked with the mayweather brothers; who im sure helped with that) and a very solid chin (obviously to never have been knockdown in a pro fight).


Oscar can very well lose to floyd and thats not something im counting out. Mayweather IS the top p4p fighter in the world and rightfully so...but i do think oscar can make the fight about as close as he did the first time and its not like he wont have the chance to win the fight (and i DONT mean punchers chance)...

[Burner]

If you mean he didnt land his left hook in terms of knockout then you're right; if you are saying he didnt land it at all then you're wrong.

he landed the left hook against both; but not to the extent of a knockout or knockdown or even damagingly but he also didnt sit on the left hook everytime he used it and look who were talking about; forbes and mayweather; two fighters who never been knockedout.

just 2 years ago (against mayorga) he knocked him down with a great left hook.

after seeing tonight's fight you are certain he doesnt have foot movement?

he does; not like he did in his prime but he's still got some left.

headmovent is true; he lacks that.

the flurries i believe were for the fans to be honest; for majority of the fight he didnt flurry inappropriately.

and floyd will NOT KO/TKO Oscar OR win every round.

thats not going to happen...no way; no how and you would be EXTREMELY hardpressed to find more than 3 (not counting the 14 year old nuthuggers) people on this forum to agree with you and i'd even bet points on it that it doesnt turn out like that.

I got all my points on Floyd..wich will be alot by Septemeber..that fight is a lock.....

Foyd will never lose to ODH no mater what Oscar does.