An INTELLIGENT analysis of why Boxing > MMA

[luv3s2sp00g3]

Also something i noticed... When you've said that stuff about MMA fighters record (21-4, 28-6), i think that is because the best fighters always fight best.

and who are these beasts that beat rampage and silva? where are they now?
There are those boxers that do seek out the best competition and always give the fans the matchups they wanna see

And some unknown fighters can always pull out an upset, that's the beauty in MMA.

yeah thats cool. But the number one P4P MMA fighter should not have that many losses on their record. Especially to no-names.

Anderson Silva fight against #1 contenders all the time (Marquardt, Franklin, Henderson), while Floyd hasn't fought a real WW contender for years.

Well.... Floyd..... is.....Floyd. ****.

[Cadillac Man]

IMHO..MMA is nothing more than a bar fight it's for people with A.D.D. AND WILL FADE WITH TIME

[MANGLER]

This is Non Stop BOXING..take this MMA crap to the approraite section.

Co-sign. Boxing is better and we all know that ****. No need to cloud a boxing site wit MMA bull**** anymore.

[Pullcounter]

mma and boxing are 2 different sports.

[BMWM3P]

Boxing is an artform that has being evolving for centuries and it takes years to master. Take a guys like Kimbo and Lesnar, if they were to get into boxing they would get their asses handed to them on a regular basis. But in MMA they are hyped to be the next superstars of the sport.

MMA is the trendy sport to watch, most of it's fanbase is made up of white people. And with wite people trends don't last long.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I've been meaning to write this for quite some time and I've given this argument a lot of thought from an objective standpoint. I know most of you don't know me and I might not have much "street cred" on Boxingscene but hear me out and I might bring some good things to the table. If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to bash on it.

First off I'll start by saying that I like both sports. I favor boxing, though, because its funner to watch for me and there is a wider pool of competition.

The biggest argument people have for MMA against boxing is that MMA is a more complete sport. You'll often hear people say "MMA is boxing PLUS jiu jitsu, kickboxing, this and that, etc." So basically they're saying "Oh boxing? Thats a tiny slice of the MMA pie. MMA offers its fans boxing AND THEN some." This argument doesn't really hold weight. You're not really seeing any of these different styles in complete depth in an MMA bout. The reason why? You're not fighting one round of jiu jitsu, then one round of boxing, etc. You're assimilating all those fight styles at once. In a way MMA ITSELF is a style on its own. It may have a little boxing, jiu jitsu, etc. training involved, but by no means are you seeing each form in its true depth. And really you can't. You can't be using an orthodox boxing stance when you've also gotta be ready to sprawl in case of a takedown or defend a kick to the leg. You can't really use any sort of inside boxing technique because there will most likely be a clinch/thai clinch. You're seeing all those styles rehashed together into a totally new form of fighting independent of whatever it was derived from.

MMA fans tend to also say that boxing is limited. "Using only your hands without any regard for kicks, elbows, knees, and groundgame just isn't fighting. That's true. Fighting by definition isn't "hitting with only the fists." But does that mean it's necessarily less SKILL? I think fighting with the restrictions of only being able to punch requires so much skill on a micro level. Boxers train for years in front of a mirror to get down the perfect jab so the elbow doesn't stick out and telegraph the punch. Learning the technique on how to adjust weight to perfectly transition power from the ankles to the hips to the shoulders. Countering over the top of a jab. Whens the last time you saw an MMA fighter slip a punch or throw short compact punches? I guess the average MMA fan will never understand the intricacies behind the sweet science or any sort of fighting if it doesn't involve body slams or ground and pound. I'm not even going into the deep ring generalship aspects that goes into 12 rounds of boxing.

I'd also say that MMA has a wider margin for error than boxing simply because to its format. Yeah its exciting because anything goes, but it also leaves a lot of room for luck. There are a lot more variables because theres so many different things going on. One minute you're getting ready to shoot for the double leg takedown, the next minute you're KTFO from a kick to the head. Just look at the MMA p4p list on Sherdog if you don't believe me. Anderson Silva is number one with a record of 21-4. Quinton Jackson number two at 28-6. In boxing thats what you would call a journeyman's record. If you lose 20 percent of your fights, you're really not that good. You rarely see undefeated records in MMA because chances are you've lost to some bull**** at some point in your career. I guess thats the nature of "anything goes". You can say it makes things exciting, I call it a flaw. It's closer to real fighting since it's not restricted to punching, I'll give em that. But does that make MMA more skill than boxing? No way.

The biggest knock I have against boxing, every boxing fan agrees with. Too many alphabet titles. After a while though, in a weird way I think it's not as bad as it seems. It makes for good argument and everyone knows the real champ compared to the paper champ anyway. Plus it gives more boxers a shot at becoming a world champ. The alphabet titles I can live with. At least in MMA, the best end up fighting the best before long. In boxing, if there's a fight everyone wants to see it takes forever. Sometimes it can take so long for the politics to work out, both fighters are out of their primes by then. Sometimes the fight doesn't even happen. Too many different promotions and too much greed governs and controls the power in boxing. Which is also why it's just not as accessible to casual fans. Not everyone can shell out 60 bucks for every ppv. If you miss a fight, you won't be seeing any replays on spike TV. It makes a boxing fan jealous to see that MMA is consolidated (largely) by one company, the UFC, and they market and promote all their own fights. Boxing could learn a thing or two from MMA in that regard.

Overambitious post, I know.

It was an ok post but you lacked structure and your arguments were all over the place. I can sum up that and more in less words.

Boxing is a specialized martial art, to reach the level of ODL, Floyd Mayweather, Miguel Cotto...it takes years. The fact that you CAN'T take people down in boxing makes the striking more pure and more complete.

I like MMA and think it's much more than a fad but it will never reach the intensity of boxing because it lacks the drama from a physical stand point. Example; in MMA once a fighter goes down HURT, 90% of the time the fight is over. Because the other fighter can jump on him and start hitting him while he's on the ground.

In boxing, once a fighter is hurt, he gets a count and has time to recover. This creates a pendulum type swing in the action, causing for more chances of "comebacks" and that's where the drama comes in.

Also in boxing, the fact that it's 12 rounds as opposed to 3-5 means there are 2 different fights going on. The later rounds are much different from the first 6 because you have taken significantly more damage and your endurance come into play BIG TIME.

Boxing>MMA because it has more propensity to be dramatic and exciting in the late rounds as opposed to being sport where one mistake and it can be over with a leg, arm or elbow lock.

[C'MONMANG']

Boxing and MMA.
Those are two different sports.
Why not make it Muay Thai vs. MMA, or Wrestling vs. MMA?
You can't!
Two different sports.

Like you said, someone is practicing jab for years.. Well, jab isn't really good weapon in MMA match, but there is armbar. And some guys are practicing armbar for years, just to make it better for fight.

Also something i noticed... When you've said that stuff about MMA fighters record (21-4, 28-6), i think that is because the best fighters always fight best.
And some unknown fighters can always pull out an upset, that's the beauty in MMA.

Anderson Silva fights against #1 contenders all the time (Marquardt, Franklin, Henderson), while Floyd hasn't fought a real WW contender for years.

EXACTLEY and Silva knows JJS, but he usually kicks your ass before it even goes to the ground, and he is he the MMA'S BEST fighter P4P. so ALL THAT all they do is wrestle crap isnt true. you have some MMA fights that SUCK and you got some boxing matches that SUCK, just like some some football games are more boring then others. Difference there is no ducking in UFC and Dana openly admits when a fight ****** or he feels a fighter got robbed, unlike boxing when a promoters fighter WINS by robbery he will claim up n down it was legit. UFC is a well organzied fight game and the fighters are HIGHLY skilled , believe that. I would rather fight a boxer then a MMA anyday.

AND I LOVE BOXING, BUT UFC HATERS MAKE US LOOK BAD.

[C'MONMANG']

Boxing is an artform that has being evolving for centuries and it takes years to master. Take a guys like Kimbo and Lesnar, if they were to get into boxing they would get their asses handed to them on a regular basis. But in MMA they are hyped to be the next superstars of the sport.

MMA is the trendy sport to watch, most of it's fanbase is made up of white people. And with wite people trends don't last long.

those guys are JOKES, Kimbo isnt in the UFC and wont be LOL...

[BMWM3P]

those guys are JOKES, Kimbo isnt in the UFC and wont be LOL...

If the UFC thought Lesnar was such a joke why did they that much hype for him. And Kimbo might be on Ellite but he's also being hyped to death and is going to be headlining their first car on CBS.

The ufc is one of the reasons why I hardly watch MMA anymore, I only watch when Anderson Sylva fights. Pride was the ****, you had guys from all over the world truly beating the **** out of each other, those soccer kicks and foot stomps were just nasty. They had those tournaments that were a real showdown of the best against the best. The UFC is all about hype, they hype up mediocre fighters and mediocre fights and then pay them peanuts to beat the **** out of each other.

[C'MONMANG']

If the UFC thought Lesnar was such a joke why did they that much hype for him. And Kimbo might be on Ellite but he's also being hyped to death and is going to be headlining their first car on CBS.

The ufc is one of the reasons why I hardly watch MMA anymore, I only watch when Anderson Sylva fights. Pride was the ****, you had guys from all over the world truly beating the **** out of each other, those soccer kicks and foot stomps were just nasty. They had those tournaments that were a real showdown of the best against the best. The UFC is all about hype, they hype up mediocre fighters and mediocre fights and then pay them peanuts to beat the **** out of each other.

and when those Pride guys come over to the UFC . they usually lose , with the exception of Rampage. UFC owns pride now.