Putting to rest the "Roid Jones Jr" ****.

[Jim Jeffries]

I found a picture of Roy before he started using steroids:

[~Lucky13~]

What about wikipedia isn't to be trusted? Sure, it can be edited by anyone, but that also lends to what makes it such a reliable source.

Most people trust real encyclopedias, books written by single authors. You fail to realize that these books and encyclopedias are edited by one person or a small group of people that believe themselves to be in the right. Wikipedia is edited by hundreds of thousands of experts and knowledgeable people with CITATIONS to prove what it is that they are adding to the site. Anything that is unverifiable is marked as such or taken off completely. If you don't believe something on wikipedia, check the citation and you'll see it's just as, if not more, credible than any other source out there.

the most intellectual individuals in the world disagree with you

[deanrw]

There's also the fact that androstenedione isn't an anabolic steroid.

The FDA finally considered it a steroid and sent letters to all the companies who had that drug in their over the counter supplements. It was available in tons of over the counter meds until recently. (2004)

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/androqa.html

[Vigilant3]

They consider it a precursor, not a steroid in itself. However, as I already posted in the main post androstenedione was tested and shown to have no muscle building effects beyond normal supplements whatsoever (in dosages that were available). They only produced testosterone, which would make it an anabolic precursor, in the most extreme cases where someone was taking the maximum possible dosage per day (300g). Even in that case it still offered no benefits to strength or muscle size.

Also, lucky, you got any references of the most intelligent people in the world denouncing Wikipedia? Most of the more intelligent people that I've talked to agree that it is a great source, but is to be taken at its face value. If you don't trust something on the site you can check its source (the citations are open to the public). If you find something wrong you can fix it.

[deanrw]

They consider it a precursor, not a steroid in itself. However, as I already posted in the main post androstenedione was tested and shown to have no muscle building effects beyond normal supplements whatsoever (in dosages that were available). They only produced testosterone, which would make it an anabolic precursor, in the most extreme cases where someone was taking the maximum possible dosage per day (300g). Even in that case it still offered no benefits to strength or muscle size.

exactly!! People blew it way out of proportion

[~Lucky13~]

exactly!! People blew it way out of proportion

not really, it was quite obvious roid jones was juicing, all you had to do is look at his body language

[Vigilant3]

Yes, quite obvious. He was so aggressive, angry and he felt invincible. That's why he took so many risks in the ring, and went out of his way to hurt people. I've never seen such a juiced up meathead.

[deanrw]

not really, it was quite obvious roid jones was juicing, all you had to do is look at his body language

Read my quote by the secretary of the IBF above. He was not juicing. It was blown out of proportion. Kinda like that snow boarder who got his gold medal stripped in the Olympics for testing positive for Weed. ****** yes, but an actual performance enhancer? no.

Read what the FDA one also. You will see what it was all about. It was a grey area at the time and they did not know how to judge it as it was a legal over the counter drug.

[Vigilant3]

In theory you can find justification behind the weed thing, as for a lot of people it acts as false confidence, so he would be more inclined to do tricks and moves that he might not do sober. Everyone knows a big part of performing big tricks involves confidence.

As far as RJJ goes? There's no reason to harp on him so much over this especially for the reasons I laid out in the main post. There is no enhancement to his performance at all.

[Biggus Dickus]

Yes, quite obvious. He was so aggressive, angry and he felt invincible. That's why he took so many risks in the ring, and went out of his way to hurt people. I've never seen such a juiced up meathead.

Dude, I'm sorry but you are completely misinformed about the side effects. The side effects you have listed are as a result of LONG term abuse, I'm talking years of pumping roids into your body.

I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids personally and the roid rage thing is a myth if it is used in moderation. If steroids are used in moderation they are fantastic with very few side effects. But like everything moderation is the key.

If Roy was cycling every now and then (and I don't believe he was because he would have added mass to his frame and not been able to make lightheavyweight) you simply wouldn't see agressiveness.

If someone is a naturally agressive person it may bring it out a little more but you don't simply start cycling and then all of sudden get angry.