..COTTO/MAYWEATHER: What The Numbers Mean...

[Horus]

My whole point is that I want to eliminate the most credible excuses anybody can have about The significance of Floyd beating Cotto..

he never fought a young, prime, active, p4p fighter before he fought floyd
is a credible argument to downplay the significances a win over cotto is..


he only won his titles by fighting in Vacant matches is a credible argument to downplay the significance a win over cotto is..



Cotto was never highly ranked in the P4P list anyways So this win is not that impressive.....is a credible argument to downplay the significance a win over cotto is..

I will say this again:

Cotto is a good fighter..... But if he was to fight Mayweather right now....
Only thing Cotto would be consider as is "Mayweather biggest threat"

It wouldn't be a fight in which two great fighters are fighting each other...

It would be another...

"Mayweather could possibly lose this fight..."

not

"Cotto could win this fight" Or "This fight would determine who is the greatest"
because cotto haven't done enough to be consider to be the great..

If Cotto beat Mayweather right now he would be like
"Vernon Forrest" or "Winky Wright"
Yeah he Beat Mosley, but what other great fighters have he beaten...
Sidenote:
(They beat Mosely in his prime)

but if he beat Mayweather after he got the 2 other belts...against prime opponents

He could be another "Trinidad" or maybe "Duran"


You see I want this fight to determine something...of significance


I dont want to fight just prove Mayweather is the best, because we already know he is the best..


This my point....

[Shem]

It's called emphasis. Is that your contribution to this discussion? Really? I'm sitting over here calm, cool and collected. Trust me, this is no hissy fit. A hissy fit would be what Floyd's nuthuggers do when they realize that it's quite possible Floyd may be ducking Cotto.

I've been rational to a fault, if you ask me.

But then again, I doubt you care about.. you know.. Facts.

Is that what it's called? Oh, OK. Emphasis.

I care about facts as they happen, yes. What are the facts as they stand then? You know, about Floyd quite possibly ducking Cotto? You know that for a fact do you?

I said Floyd was stalling for whatever reason, so really there's no point in talking to me about nuthuggers. I know Cotto's worshippers tend to say he's ducking him, the fight will never happen, yada yada yada. They do that just so they can get in more bitching sessions - it's up to them. Bottom line - he has not said he will not fight him...he said he has to WAIT- as I've said in my original post.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Is that what it's called? Oh, OK. Emphasis.

I care about facts as they happen, yes. What are the facts as they stand then? You know, about Floyd quite possibly ducking Cotto? You know that for a fact do you?

I said Floyd was stalling for whatever reason, so really there's no point in talking to me about nuthuggers. I know Cotto's worshippers tend to say he's ducking him, the fight will never happen, yada yada yada. They do that just so they can get in more bitching sessions - it's up to them. Bottom line - he has not said he will not fight him...he said he has to WAIT- as I've said in my original post.

I said I know for a fact that SOME Floyd fans fear it might be happening. Yes, that IS fact. My sister is a Floyd fan, for example and is starting to lose patience with Mayweather for this exact reason.

I don't believe in this 'waiting game'. I think that's Mayweathers way for waiting it out, in hopes of Cotto losing. This isn't fact, just my theory. I know you don't agree. You don't have to.

[froggy]

I never said it wouldn't. But an OLDER fighter in De La Hoya is fighting THIS YEAR, AFTER the fight with Mayweather. Why couldn't a YOUNGER fighter like Mayweather fight in the beginning of NEXT YEAR? I know it's a ways off so it still COULD happen. But, he refuses to even discuss it.

fair point, maybe he thinks he can make more money elsewhere (hatton), also de la hoya doesnt have a lot to lose even if he gets beat of cotto, mayweather does!

u can hate him for ducking cotto if u want, but it makes economic sense to fight the big show over cotto and money talks.

option 1 (cotto) - put your health and legacy on the line and commit to months of extreme training

option 2 (big show) - make more money in a no risk acting situation!

what would u choose? im going for option 2 personally.

[THe TRiNiTY]

My whole point is that I want to eliminate the most credible excuses anybody can have about The significance of Floyd beating Cotto..

he never fought a young, prime, active, p4p fighter before he fought floyd
is a credible argument to downplay the significances a win over cotto is..


he only won his titles by fighting in Vacant matches is a credible argument to downplay the significance a win over cotto is..



Cotto was never highly ranked in the P4P list anyways So this win is not that impressive.....is a credible argument to downplay the significance a win over cotto is..

I will say this again:

Cotto is a good fighter..... But if he was to fight Mayweather right now....
Only thing Cotto would be consider as is "Mayweather biggest threat"

It wouldn't be a fight in which two great fighters are fighting each other...

It would be another...

"Mayweather could possibly lose this fight..."

not

"Cotto could win this fight" Or "This fight would determine who is the greatest"
because cotto haven't done enough to be consider to be the great..

If Cotto beat Mayweather right now he would be like
"Vernon Forrest" or "Winky Wright"
Yeah he Beat Mosley, but what other great fighters have he beaten...
Sidenote:
(They beat Mosely in his prime)

but if he beat Mayweather after he got the 2 other belts...against prime opponents

He could be another "Trinidad" or maybe "Duran"


You see I want this fight to determine something...of significance


I dont want to fight just prove Mayweather is the best, because we already know he is the best..


This my point....

So, you mean to tell me... That if Mayweather beat Cotto, you really don't see fans appreciated Mayweather EVEN more, than if he beat Hatton or De La Hoya again?

Maybe that's not important, but for legacy it is. Fans build legacies. Not bank accounts.

[Horus]

Like the thread Vladimir Made:


hypothetically speaking, what if Floyd makes Cotto look like Baldomir or even scores a Tko in a one sided fight as there is a possibility that he might?

Usually when Floyd is the favorite to win and when no upsets happen and he wins like he won against Hatton........breakouts of overrated, past his prime come out.

A victory over a Top 10 P4P, 44-0, 2-division champion was criticized. A guy who actually beat a real champion in Tszyu to win his title, not just win vacant belts.

Cotto may have done it more impressive and the perception is that he is a bigger threat but what if he isnt? How is Cotto any better then Hatton on paper? How does a victory over Cotto figure into Mayweather's legacy?

He won't go down as the greatest either way.

For him to get any type of LEGACY ENHANCING credit,

the victory would have to be the equivalent of Ali beating Frazier or Leonard beating Hearns.

Is Cotto all that?

If he isn't, what's the problem with him cashing in and going after the big money rematches? Oh yea the hardcore fans.......the same fans who didn't tune in to watch Cotto on Free HBO.



Vladimir made a credible argument that most Floyd fans make.....
This argument...is what the problem..."Cotto needs to build his boxing prestige"

[IwatchBoxing]

It's the fight fight that has to be made anyway, and Mayweather will squeek by and win a clear descion. no matter how low cottos fight with gomez was, cottos cleary the man to beat at welterweight.

[Horus]

So, you mean to tell me... That if Mayweather beat Cotto, you really don't see fans appreciated Mayweather EVEN more, than if he beat Hatton or De La Hoya again?

Maybe that's not important, but for legacy it is. Fans build legacies. Not bank accounts.

That post had nothing to do with money but everything to do with Legacy

[Shem]

I said I know for a fact that SOME Floyd fans fear it might be happening. Yes, that IS fact. My sister is a Floyd fan, for example and is starting to lose patience with Mayweather for this exact reason.

I don't believe in this 'waiting game'. I think that's Mayweathers way for waiting it out, in hopes of Cotto losing. This isn't fact, just my theory. I know you don't agree. You don't have to.

Fine...I don't agree, because having read what he has to say about Cotto, I think he thinks he can beat him. He's not scared of him imo. I think he's just extending he's new found status and exerting a bit of power because he has had to wait a long time for it. I made this point earlier today - I personally feel his stock will plummet if he loses, so I understand in a sense the need to wait, but I think he's at risk if he waits any longer, Cotto is a killer..but, I think he can beat him. I'm not so sure he can neutralise Margarito, but that's a different point.

[THe TRiNiTY]

My final point. Mayweathers legacy would be enhanced WAY more against Cotto than against either Oscar or Ricky at this point. He can cash in all he wants, but if he waits around too long he will lose money and a peice of his legacy.

If he makes Cotto look bad, so what? He's at a point where you can attribute it to his skills not Cotto's lack of skills. Most people know that.