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    Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
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    ..COTTO/MAYWEATHER: What The Numbers Mean...

    People have been using Cotto's LOW HBO numbers as a reason that Mayweather SHOULDN'T fight Cotto. They were low, however people seem to forget that other sports were on at the time, not to mention FREE boxing on a rival channel.

    And now they make it seem as if Mayweather is this HUGE drawing star, and Cotto has no name to speak of. It's just not true. Mayweather is the bigger star. Has more drawing power. I'm not arguing that. What I'm talking about is the fact that Cotto would add to a huge event.

    IN terms of attendance, I don't think the comparison even needs to be made. Their common opponent with a name is Judah, and Mayweather/Judah had seats available the day OF the fight. Meanwhile, Cotto/Judah set records at MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.

    Baldomir/Mayweather had even less fans in attendance and had fans leaving towards the end of the fight. Hatton proved to be the draw at the gate, as his fans were far outnumbering Mayweathers. Even AFTER the fight. Furthermore, Hatton got more buys out of the PPV in the U.K. De La Hoya is De La Hoya, all that really needs to be said.

    You can make the argument that Mayweather got Hatton AND Oscar their BIGGEST fights. And technically you'd be right. But, NOT because HE was fighting them. Because they were fighting him. There's a BIG difference. Numbers are numbers, but there's a difference.

    When you look at the LOW TV numbers for Cotto/Gomez, you need to factor in some things. There was little to NO build-up for the fight. No countdown, no big promotion, no 24/7, no big name in the other corner and no hope for his opponent, and he still pulled in 2.1 million views. Calzaghe/Kessler pulled in similar numbers, and if you mean to tell me that Calzaghe isn't a draw, you're crazy. And That was Calzaghe's BIGGEST and BEST FOE. Cotto fought a fighter with no chance and a little buzz.

    Mayweather was drawing in about 8,000 fans before his bigger fights started happening. Cotto sold out the garden with a virtual unknown in Paulie Malignaggi. I forget what that PPV did, but that one wasn't even involving HBO, and I remember the numbers were pretty respectable.

    Let's take a look at the numbers of their last three fights.

    Cotto/Judah, 225k+
    Cotto/Gomez, 2.1M (cable rating)+
    Cotto/Mosley, 400K+

    Mayweather/De La Hoya, 2.4M+
    Mayweather/Hatton, 800K+
    Mayweather/Badlomir, 300K+

    You look at those, and it looks like Mayweather is killing Cotto. But if you take off Hatton and De La Hoya (the TRUE draws in their respected fights) and you replace them with Judah(330K) and Gatti(340K), and it evens out. Take off the Gomez fight, due to no sales and replace it with someone even LESS known on a world level, like Malignaggi WAS at the time. He got 170K+ buys.

    It would mean a difference of 155K. BIG ****IN' DEAL. This is NO EXCUSE for Mayweather to ignore Cotto. None at all.
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    Whoever uses that as an excuse isnt a boxing fan. They are Floyd Mayweather groupies. To even use ppv numbers as an excuse is laughable. It exposes your true interest in the sport.

    Calzaghe/Kessler was one of the biggest fights of last year, and it pulled the lowest rating ever. Does that ruin its significance? **** no. That shows how ridiculous these fools are.

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      #3
      I agree with your post 100% however its just another Straw or excuse for Mayweather fans to use to support the next excuse Floyd comes up with as to why he isnt fighting the best.
      Look with these groupies facts do not matter, they seem to think that Floyd made all these big PPV numbers on his own when in reality he did not, he needed a big name next to his in order for this to happen, such as Gatti, De La Hoya even Judah, with out them Floyd does worse in terms of numbers than Cottos doing right now, this is fact.
      but you cant expect these people to keep it real it dont work like that they just like Floyd are just as ****ing delusional.

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        #4
        Looking at the numbers, I have EVERY reason to believe that domestically the fight would do better than Mayweather/Hatton did. I think it pulls closer to 1 million buys, that's for sure.

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          #5
          Pfffft...

          You mother****ers didn't know?

          Floyd Mayweather INVENTED boxing...

          How could anyone ever beat him?

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            #6
            Originally posted by C-Drone
            People have been using Cotto's LOW HBO numbers as a reason that Mayweather SHOULDN'T fight Cotto. They were low, however people seem to forget that other sports were on at the time, not to mention FREE boxing on a rival channel.

            And now they make it seem as if Mayweather is this HUGE drawing star, and Cotto has no name to speak of. It's just not true. Mayweather is the bigger star. Has more drawing power. I'm not arguing that. What I'm talking about is the fact that Cotto would add to a huge event.

            IN terms of attendance, I don't think the comparison even needs to be made. Their common opponent with a name is Judah, and Mayweather/Judah had seats available the day OF the fight. Meanwhile, Cotto/Judah set records at MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.

            Baldomir/Mayweather had even less fans in attendance and had fans leaving towards the end of the fight. Hatton proved to be the draw at the gate, as his fans were far outnumbering Mayweathers. Even AFTER the fight. Furthermore, Hatton got more buys out of the PPV in the U.K. De La Hoya is De La Hoya, all that really needs to be said.

            You can make the argument that Mayweather got Hatton AND Oscar their BIGGEST fights. And technically you'd be right. But, NOT because HE was fighting them. Because they were fighting him. There's a BIG difference. Numbers are numbers, but there's a difference.

            When you look at the LOW TV numbers for Cotto/Gomez, you need to factor in some things. There was little to NO build-up for the fight. No countdown, no big promotion, no 24/7, no big name in the other corner and no hope for his opponent, and he still pulled in 2.1 million views. Calzaghe/Kessler pulled in similar numbers, and if you mean to tell me that Calzaghe isn't a draw, you're crazy. And That was Calzaghe's BIGGEST and BEST FOE. Cotto fought a fighter with no chance and a little buzz.

            Mayweather was drawing in about 8,000 fans before his bigger fights started happening. Cotto sold out the garden with a virtual unknown in Paulie Malignaggi. I forget what that PPV did, but that one wasn't even involving HBO, and I remember the numbers were pretty respectable.

            Let's take a look at the numbers of their last three fights.

            Cotto/Judah, 225k+
            Cotto/Gomez, 2.1M (cable rating)+
            Cotto/Mosley, 400K+

            Mayweather/De La Hoya, 2.4M+
            Mayweather/Hatton, 800K+
            Mayweather/Badlomir, 300K+

            You look at those, and it looks like Mayweather is killing Cotto. But if you take off Hatton and De La Hoya (the TRUE draws in their respected fights) and you replace them with Judah(330K) and Gatti(340K), and it evens out. Take off the Gomez fight, due to no sales and replace it with someone even LESS known on a world level, like Malignaggi WAS at the time. He got 170K+ buys.

            It would mean a difference of 155K. BIG ****IN' DEAL. This is NO EXCUSE for Mayweather to ignore Cotto. None at all.
            Hatton= 850,00 buys
            Judah = 375,000 buys
            Gatti = 360,000 buys
            Baldomir = 325,000 buys

            Get your numbers right...!!
            Last edited by Horus; 04-28-2008, 09:53 AM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by The Evil Genius
              Pfffft...

              You mother****ers didn't know?

              Floyd Mayweather INVENTED boxing...

              How could anyone ever beat him?

              Good point.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Horus
                Judah = 375,000 buys
                Gatti = 360,000 buys
                Baldomir = 325,000 buys

                Get your numbers right...!!
                Which would add a little over 90K Meaning it's roughly 250K of a difference. Lol. Wow. Now, I change my entire stance.

                For the record, I undersold EVERY PPV, including Cotto's. So, this is a moot point, the entire way around. Get off Floyd's **** already. It's sad.

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                  #9
                  The problem with Mayweather fans and this poll, I can already see. If they vote 'yes', it destorys their argument about Cotto not being a big enough draw. If they vote 'no', then it means even they think that Mayweather can't draw by himself. Lol. Kinda sad, when you think about it.

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                    #10
                    Hatton/Mayweather did 850,000 and 1.2 mil in the UK. Will Cotto/Mayweather do 2 mil or more? IMO no

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