what if: James Toney vs. Joe Calzaghe @ 168 (Prime for prime)

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toney will put calzaghe on ***** street and calzaghe will like it! (gay joke)

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toney will put calzaghe on ***** street and calzaghe will like it! (he's gay)

[slicksouthpaw16]

No offense taken. It seems that way because I'm pointing out flaws that exist in my opinion, but not in yours. I get exactly the same thing when I'm having a debate over a fighter, usually Calzaghe. I often can't believe what I'm reading!

I take your point about technical boxers, which is why neither Jones (say what you want he isn't technical) nor Pavlik have me quaking in my boots but I think Dawson might beat Joe. I don't think Reid was anywhere near beating Calzaghe and he said himself in the immediate aftermath that he didn't think he beat him, but it was one of Calzaghe's tougher fights, yes.

On Toney v Calzaghe though, I feel we are destined to eternally disagree!

I already said that i am a fan of Calzaghe and that my dream fight would be him against Dawson so i have no biased against him. Its just that hes not beating a peak Toney.

[Cletus Funk]

When Toney came in shape and prepared the way he did with Nunn and Barkely, then he would have excellent stamina and a decent high work rate.

People really shouldn't lump those 2 fights together - those performances are worlds apart. Toney got absolutely schooled for 8 1/2 rounds of the Nunn fight and would lose to him 9 times out of 10. Funnily enough, Nunn owned him with a high volume southpaw game. Sound familiar?

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People really shouldn't lump those 2 fights together - those performances are worlds apart. Toney got absolutely schooled for 8 1/2 rounds of the Nunn fight and would lose to him 9 times out of 10. Funnily enough, Nunn owned him with a high volume southpaw game. Sound familiar?

your comparing nunn and calzaghe's fighting style god damn do you watch the actual fights they fight nothing alike cept for being southpaws.

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not to mention toney got to nunn and ko'd him imagine he'd get to calzaghe even quicker with his reckless style

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9 times out of ten he would beat toney? are you michael nunn or related to him or something why you so pissed off. it wasn't a "lucky" punch

[Cletus Funk]

not to mention toney got to nunn and ko'd him imagine he'd get to calzaghe even quicker with his reckless style

Nice imagination you've got there.

Typically no, they don't fight alike. In that fight there were definite similarities though and Calzaghe doesn't fade late.

[Cletus Funk]

9 times out of ten he would beat toney? are you michael nunn or related to him or something why you so pissed off. it wasn't a "lucky" punch

Nah, I'm his dealer. Nunn at his best beats any MW/SMW of the last 20 years.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Nice imagination you've got there.

Typically no, they don't fight alike. In that fight there were definite similarities though and Calzaghe doesn't fade late.

Nunn is a better pure boxer than Calzaghe(who is not really a pure boxer to begin with) and he punches harder, is slicker, better defensively and does not get squared up. Calzaghe is completely vulnerable to obvious counter punches when he has his opponents on the ropes flurrying, which is why Hopkins was able to take advantage of it as well as Reid. In both fights, he was open for counter right hands and thats Toney's favorite punch.

Better comparison would be Calzaghe to Vasili Jirov. Not becuase I'm trying to prove a point, but becuase Jirov is a southpaw, high work rate, is fast, squared up but Jirov actually brings educated pressure. Like i said, Calzaghe is wide open when he throws those volume punches.