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  • Lazy Liberal
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    #151
    How much money did Sosa,Ndou,Corley,Bruseles,Mitchell bring to the table? Damn, I had no idea that these guys brought more to the table than Miguel Cotto, this now makes perfect sense to me.

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      #152
      Originally posted by 2501
      would you agree that this doesnt necessarily equate quality or highly competitive fights?
      It doesn't and that is where the outrage comes from. My ONLY problem with that is calling him a ducker or afraid of this and that. I don't give a **** if you don't like him he isn't my friend but that is bull**** if someone would think he is ducking anyone. He would fight ANYONE, but for his greedy ass money comes first.

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        #153
        Originally posted by DavidValenzuela
        How much money did Sosa,Ndou,Corley,Bruseles,Mitchell bring to the table? Damn, I had no idea that these guys brought more to the table than Miguel Cotto, this now makes perfect sense to me.
        Think of it this way, RIGHT NOW Floyd wouldn't get the amount of money he wants. ACTUALLY Floyd was more than willing to fight Cotto at a time, but now money is his number 1 priority.

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          #154
          Originally posted by Horus
          FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
          compare to Floyd..



          Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.

          The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.


          GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS



          Pacquaio vs. Big Names

          Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
          Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
          PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
          Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
          Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

          Roy Jones vs. Big Names

          Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
          Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
          Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
          Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
          Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV

          Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:

          Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
          Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
          Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
          Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
          Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys

          Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar

          Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys

          Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
          Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
          Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
          Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys

          Miguel Cotto
          Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
          Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys


          THE REAL POINT...




          Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names



          Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):

          Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million

          "We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.

          Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.

          "These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.


          Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):

          M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
          6 fights in the United States before the fight...

          Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
          This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
          Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
          This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
          Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,

          So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
          And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...












          Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than


          Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
          Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
          Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
          Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV


          and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..


          Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
          PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
          Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
          Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
          Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
          Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
          Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
          Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
          Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
          Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys







          And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
          So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..

          And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??

          Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.

          There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao

          Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?





          So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...
          why are comparing cotto to floyd again..??

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            #155
            Originally posted by DavidValenzuela
            How much money did Sosa,Ndou,Corley,Bruseles,Mitchell bring to the table? Damn, I had no idea that these guys brought more to the table than Miguel Cotto, this now makes perfect sense to me.
            At the time, Floyd wasn't a free agent. He was an Arum product with an HBO contract making about $3 mil per fight. His pay was guaranteed.

            TODAY, he is self-promoted. He shares in the fight revenues, so he wantes to be in the biggest possible fights.

            Completely different situation. I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't recognize that.

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            • Undefeated
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              #156
              We just wanna see fights.

              Floyd said it himself that hes got all the money he wants, but ya forget to mention that. Stop talking for Floyd.

              The dude don't know what he wants in boxing. He should just retire then. He said he got all the money, BUT then doesn't fight the number 1 guy in Welterweight.

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                #157
                Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
                At the time, Floyd wasn't a free agent. He was an Arum product with an HBO contract making about $3 mil per fight. His pay was guaranteed.

                TODAY, he is self-promoted. He shares in the fight revenues, so he wantes to be in the biggest possible fights.

                Completely different situation. I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't recognize that.
                What biggest fight fights is he interested in? Cotto vs Floyd is a big as they get. I mean what are his plans, Oscar will retire very soon, whose he gonna make the money with.

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                  #158
                  Originally posted by DavidValenzuela
                  What biggest fight fights is he interested in? Cotto vs Floyd is a big as they get. I mean what are his plans, Oscar will retire very soon, whose he gonna make the money with.
                  "Biggest" commercially.

                  Why fight Cotto now, when Cotto will be around for 2-3 more years. Oscar has the shorter shelf life. Exactly like you said.

                  If you opened your fridge, and you had a gallon of milk dated today, and a quart of milk dated next week, which would you drink first?

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                    #159
                    Originally posted by Undefeated

                    Floyd said it himself that hes got all the money he wants, but ya forget to mention that. Stop talking for Floyd.
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                    Actually, he said this....


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                      #160
                      Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
                      "Biggest" commercially.

                      Why fight Cotto now, when Cotto will be around for 2-3 more years. Oscar has the shorter shelf life. Exactly like you said.

                      If you opened your fridge, and you had a gallon of milk dated today, and a quart of milk dated next week, which would you drink first?
                      Next week.......................

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