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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sugarj View Post
    I dont think any weight above 147 should count here, so in my opinion Jones, Hopkins, Hagler are out.

    At 140-147 I think the following at their respective peaks would all give Robinson a good match ( I'd never say beat! )....... Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Shane Mosley, Pernell Whitaker, Vernon Forrest, Cesar Chavez, Floyd Mayweather, Roberto Duran.

    Robinson was the complete package and did look devestating at welter weight, speed, power, defense, lightning combinations, rhythm! He looks unbeatable......BUT in my opinion Ray faced tougher competition at middleweight when he was past his peak. At welter I wouldn't have said his resume was dotted with fighters better than some of the good modern fighters listed above.
    roberto duran, and leonard were the other 2 fighters i thought about at 147. floyd wouldnt even have the balls to step into the ring with ray, if he did he'd be a dead man. hearns was beat by leonard so prime ray would beat him. for chavez i see robbie as a much more dynamic version of meldrik taylor that would beat him. whitaker would make him miss, but later in the fight ray would make him pay. forrest.......i look at 2mosley fights and it doesnt convince me

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    • #32
      It's hard to gauge exactly how well Robinson would do with the other great welterweights because the footage I've seen of him there is minimal and so grainy.

      Sure, we know he was awesome, but still, it's hard to gauge off that footage and the footage of him above 147 just how well he does against other great WWs.

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      • #33
        Robinson is a tricky fighter so its hard because he could fight and box very well but he showed he can lose against very smart in fighters like jake lamotta.
        I think a great in fighter like hagler beats him at middlewieght but i dont see any outboxer beating him because hes so gd at outboxing opponants and fighting them.

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        • #34
          calzaghe
          i dont think calzaghe cant lose to any fighter ever he will retire undefeated

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          • #35
            Roy Jones at middle and Hagler even then id still favour Robinson but they have the best chances.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by sterling View Post
              Robinson is a tricky fighter so its hard because he could fight and box very well but he showed he can lose against very smart in fighters like jake lamotta.
              I think a great in fighter like hagler beats him at middlewieght but i dont see any outboxer beating him because hes so gd at outboxing opponants and fighting them.
              he lost to jake only once, and went on to beat jake 5 more times. the first fight he came in weighin something like 145 to jake's 160. it was welterweight fighting a middleweight. he took the rematch a few weeks later and schooled jake's ass

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ryno113 View Post
                Roy Jones at middle and Hagler even then id still favour Robinson but they have the best chances.
                i think roy is the one with the bigger chance of anyone, skills wise he could put up a fight against robbie. but ray was a great puncher with either hand, and roy's chin has been checked a few times. if tarver was able to knock roy out (eventhough roy wasnt coming to an end anyway) imagine what ray would have been able to do to him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by boxing_prospect View Post
                  he lost to jake only once, and went on to beat jake 5 more times. the first fight he came in weighin something like 145 to jake's 160. it was welterweight fighting a middleweight. he took the rematch a few weeks later and schooled jake's ass
                  "you never got me down ray" lol raging bull :P its true he never dropped jake but something can be blamed at jakes mental state at the time.
                  Ray never had trouble beating biggers guys even when he was outwieghed as a light heavywieght so dont use that as a excuse to losing lol.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by sterling View Post
                    "you never got me down ray" lol raging bull :P its true he never dropped jake but something can be blamed at jakes mental state at the time.
                    Ray never had trouble beating biggers guys even when he was outwieghed as a light heavywieght so dont use that as a excuse to losing lol.
                    true but jake had 20-25 pounds on robbie on fight night. jake actually started his career fighting as a light heavyweight. he put on weight really easily. anyway i can see how ray lost and i cant blame him. jake was a bigger man, but it was also ray's first loss. he came back and gave a few nightmares to lamotta after that. but if you wanna break it down jake didnt even belong on the same level with robinson

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by boxing_prospect View Post
                      could beat a Prime Sugar Ray Robinson at the very peak of his powers, either in the welterweight, or the middleweight divisions.

                      if they are list them, and provide explanation why they could beat him

                      can be any current active fighter, or any other fighter in the past 3 decades
                      Fighters today are bigger, faster, stronger, and more technically sound and evolved.

                      It's like saying Wilt Chamberlin would have the same amount of success or even more if he played in the NBA today. Which is ******ed.

                      You can only compare Ray Robinson to other fighers that fought in his era.
                      Last edited by deliveryman; 04-25-2008, 06:39 PM.

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