is there any fighter in today's era who....

[deliveryman]

you comparing 2 different sports man, and it shows that you're still new to the sport of boxing. and it's fine you just gotta know what you're talking about before you make posts. i remember you, you also wrote:

"Generally speaking, whites are inferior boxers. Gentically blacks are more athletic than whites, and gentically, whites are more intelligent than blacks."

you base your opinion on logic that you think fits all the description

you wrote you opinion and i disagree big time, as im sure most other posters would after seeing what you wrote.

sorry bro, end of convo

Oh and by the way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Two_Curve_Bell_with_Jobs.jpg

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htm

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=778014

http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/

[kmcc505]

Robinson was the greatest fighter ever. He was 73-1-1 in his first 75 fights, and the guy he lost to (Lamotta) was MUCH bigger than him AND he defeated him 5 out of the 6 times they fought.

No one today comes close.

[Motofan]

I cant see it.

[QUISQUEYA]

could beat a Prime Sugar Ray Robinson at the very peak of his powers, either in the welterweight, or the middleweight divisions.

if they are list them, and provide explanation why they could beat him

can be any current active fighter, or any other fighter in the past 3 decades

ROY AT 160.

[Clegg]

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.

The reason that fighters are better conditioned now than they were in the past is because of better diet and nutritional knowledge, improved training tecniques and other things that have nothing to do with genes or biology.

It has nothing to do with human evolution, which is a very slow process.

[BennyST]

Fighters today are bigger, faster, stronger, and more technically sound and evolved.

It's like saying Wilt Chamberlin would have the same amount of success or even more if he played in the NBA today. Which is ******ed.

You can only compare Ray Robinson to other fighers that fought in his era.

There is so much wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to start. Though, I'll say a few things. Firstly, to say that fighters today are more evolved is such complete tripe it really makes me wonder whether the folk who say that have ever actually watched the older guys fight.

Fighting is about actually fighting. The old guys used to fight constantly in real fights. They learned defense the hard way, like Toney, Mayweather, Duran etc etc. They learned it by being in the ring non stop and fighting all the time. If you actually took the time to go and watch guys from yesteryear fight you would see the range of skills the majority of the really good guys have out weighs what todays fighters do by quite a lot.

How many heavies today do you see beating Ali? How many were fitter, stronger, and faster? What about the others that fought then? Frazier and Foreman? He was peaking in the sixties. That's going before your Chamberlan theory. What about the lightweights of the same time and just after? They would have quite simply dominated the lightweights of today.

Going back even further to the forties and fifties you see guys predominantly use what morons today call the 'Mayweather' style of defense which was in use by the majority of good fighters back then. Ezzard Charles was a master. Johnny Famechon, Lionel Rose, Ray Robinson used it well, Pep and most of the in-fighters used it as much as most of todays counter punchers try to use it!...it goes on and on.

To say that todays fighters are better is so daft and is due, I guess, to just being able to see the moves better. When you see them in what looks like real life you think "wow they're amazing." Just because you haven't seen much of the older guys fighting or actually looked at how they fought doesn't mean they don't fight well.

Todays fighters, if anything, have actually dropped off quite dramatically in terms of fighting skill that it's quite staggering. This is due to not fighting very much. You look at the guys who fought constantly from a young age and they have the most skills. Your Mayweathers and Toneys, Hopkins' and then going a little bit further back guys like Duran, Ortiz, Charles, Robinson, Locche etc they were fitter, stronger, faster and much more skilled. Go back and look at some old footage of as many good fighters as you can get and you'll see after getting past the bad quality that what you think is just simply BS. The older guys were generally all better skilled fighters.

It's quite rare you see a fighter today able to go the twelve rounds needed at full pace. Just looking back only thirty or so years you see the heavyweights were able to go fifteen rounds throwing as many punches as most much, much lighterweights do now!!! Please, explain how this is evolution of a better fighter? Go and look at Robinson fight all his available fights and you'll see just how freakin' skilled the guy was. What about Willie Pep? Have you watched anything of his? That guy was just a freak. It's not some old myth either. He was genuinely a freakishly brilliant fighter! He would of had no trouble with anyone from today as would Benny Leonard, Ganz or Hammerin' Hank.

Heres a question for you? What about when you have the best trainers of today saying that the fighters of yesterday were all much more skilled than the fighters of today? Ray Arcel and Muhammad Ali both called Benny Leonard the greatest boxer ever. Eddie Futch called Charley Burley the most complete fighter he had ever seen. These guys saw everyone, from yesteryear to today in full and complete action!

[BennyST]

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.


Do you think Jim Brown probably the greatest running back to ever live, playing in today's NFL, would even have close to the same numbers he did when playing in the '50s?

If you were match-up Brown physically with someone like Tomlinson, I mean, it's not even comparable.

For further proof, do you know what the men's 100 meter dash record was in 1950? 10.4 seconds, which is slower than todays Women's record.

Mate, human evolution takes thousands of years to unfold. You really need to go back to your high school biology books mate. Humans evolving into better athletes over a period of 60 years just isn't happening. In fact, I would guarantee that most athletes just thirty years ago in boxing could last longer over and go harder over twelve rounds than most can today.

Just go watch a few lightweight fights of thirty years ago and you see what I mean. Fifteen rounds non stop! Very few fighters today can go like that for just twelve rounds let alone fifteen!

If you think it's delusional to say the athletes have not evolved from then until now, well, you really need to try and understand exactly what evolution means. It is the actual genes in our bodies making transformations and they most certainly do not take place over a small period of a few decades or more.

Training techniques have changed but I would stand by what most older athletes do apart from the obvious techniques that can simply be ruinous, but, the fighters of yesteryear were still better conditioned, fought longer and harder bouts and were generally across the board more skillful.

Edit: Oh, I see many people have already said this. It seems I jumped the gun.

[AntonTheMeh]

though i don't agree with deliveryman with just about everything,he's right,atheletic evolution happens quicker than,the obvious evolution.

[Panamaniac]

Fortunately, the easy answer is the right answer. Easy because I don't have to explain why (or how) any of today's fighters would defeat Robinson. "No" is the right answer simply because it is the truth. In fact, the current crop of fighters are the very worst of any era in boxing.

[Boogie Nights]

Fortunately, the easy answer is the right answer. Easy because I don't have to explain why (or how) any of today's fighters would defeat Robinson. "No" is the right answer simply because it is the truth. In fact, the current crop of fighters are the very worst of any era in boxing.

try explaining to the delivery man, apparently he knows this sport very well, and says that any of today's welterweights would beat the greatest P4P fighter......so he knows the sport well. obviously he also implys that ali would have been beaten by the more conditioned and athletic heavyweights that we have today