is there any fighter in today's era who....

[Boogie Nights]

Fighters today are bigger, faster, stronger, and more technically sound and evolved.

It's like saying Wilt Chamberlin would have the same amount of success if he played in the NBA today.

so you pretty much saying that any good welterweight or middleweigth would beat a prime Suray Ray Robinson who is regarded by almost everyone to be P4P 1 fighter???

[warp1432]

What counts from Today's era? From 2000 up? From 1990 up?

I don't think anyone could beat him at Welterweight (though some people could give him some competitiveness), but Jones, Hopkins, and maybe even a really well condition toney would beat him at Middle.

From what I've seen of Robinson at Middle, he got hit way to much and was way too inconsistent, but that's because he was like 38. Robinson still had GREAT combinations, a great jab, and a vicious RIGHT. It shows great glimpses of his former self at Welter, but Jones and Hopkins would still beat him.

[deliveryman]

so you pretty much saying that any good welterweight or middleweigth would beat a prime Suray Ray Robinson who is regarded by almost everyone to be P4P 1 fighter???

No. What I'm saying is that any elite WW or MW fighter today could beat a 1940's version of Ray Robinson, for the reasons I already mentioned.

If you think that fighters today aren't faster, stronger, bigger and just flat out better than fighters over 60 years ago, then you're delusional.

Like I said, you cannot compare fighters from different eras, especially when we're talking 50-60 years apart. The only comparison you can make is how Robinson did against fighters in his own era, versus how other fighters did in their own era. But not directly to eachother, because it simply isn't fair.

[Boogie Nights]

What counts from Today's era? From 2000 up? From 1990 up?

I don't think anyone could beat him at Welterweight (though some people could give him some competitiveness), but Jones, Hopkins, and maybe even a really well condition toney would beat him at Middle.

From what I've seen of Robinson at Middle, he got hit way to much and was way too inconsistent, but that's because he was like 38. Robinson still had GREAT combinations, a great jab, and a vicious RIGHT. It shows great glimpses of his former self at Welter, but Jones and Hopkins would still beat him.

basically you can pick any fighter from the past 3 decades, or the last 30 years.

i dont see hopkins lasting against robinson. i said prime jones had more chances than anybody at beating ray at middleweight. ray was an old middleweight, but starting as a small guy he brought his power up in the division and was a deadly puncher. ray even at 147 pounds was knocking guys out who outweighed him by 10-20 pounds. he was still conditioned to go 15 rounds.

[Boogie Nights]

No. What I'm saying is that any elite WW or MW fighter today could beat a 1950's version of Ray Robinson, for the reasons I already mentioned.

If you think that fighters today aren't faster, stronger, bigger and just flat out better than fighters 50 years ago, then you're delusional.

Like I said, you cannot compare fighters from different eras, especially when we're talking 50-60 years apart. The only comparison you can make is how Robinson did against fighters in his own era, versus how other fighters did in their own era. But not directly to eachother, because it simply isn't fair.

that's your opinion i dont agree with it. i think you should watch more robinson's fights before you come to that conclusion.

athletes are stronger and bigger by today's standards especially heavyweights in boxing. but to say that robinson wasnt as fast or as strong as today's 147 or 160 pounders than i say your delusional. if anything fighters in 50s were better conditioned, and trained for 15 rounds and fought more frequently. you should watch more boxing man, but it's your opinion you can stand by it.

[juancho]

Just because Robinson is the consensus choice as the greatest ever, it doesn't mean he's unbeatable. Every man is beatable, especially when they fight as often as Robinson did.

Robinson had a few fights that were very close at welter and middle. He split 2 fights with Turpin, and this was before Ray's tap-dancing career.

Furthermore, guys are bigger nowadays because of different weigh-in procedures.

On an off-night he could be beaten, but Robinson was one of the best ever in rematches.

thats what im saying,he's not unbeatable,i pick jones,hagler,hopkins,and floyd-to be honest i'm not a fan of any of these

[deliveryman]

that's your opinion i dont agree with it. i think you should watch more robinson's fights before you come to that conclusion.

athletes are stronger and bigger by today's standards especially heavyweights in boxing. but to say that robinson wasnt as fast or as strong as today's 147 or 160 pounders than i say your delusional. if anything fighters in 50s were better conditioned, and trained for 15 rounds and fought more frequently. you should watch more boxing man, but it's your opinion you can stand by it.

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.


Do you think Jim Brown probably the greatest running back to ever live, playing in today's NFL, would even have close to the same numbers he did when playing in the '50s?

If you were match-up Brown physically with someone like Tomlinson, I mean, it's not even comparable.

For further proof, do you know what the men's 100 meter dash record was in 1950? 10.4 seconds, which is slower than todays Women's record.

[TheGreatA]

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.


Do you think Jim Brown probably the greatest running back to ever live, playing in today's NFL, would even have close to the same numbers he did when playing in the '50s?

Kelly Pavlik.


Here's Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Boogie Nights]

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.


Do you think Jim Brown probably the greatest running back to ever live, playing in today's NFL, would even have close to the same numbers he did when playing in the '50s?

you comparing 2 different sports man, and it shows that you're still new to the sport of boxing. and it's fine you just gotta know what you're talking about before you make posts. i remember you, you also wrote:

"Generally speaking, whites are inferior boxers. Gentically blacks are more athletic than whites, and gentically, whites are more intelligent than blacks."

you base your opinion on logic that you think fits all the description

you wrote you opinion and i disagree big time, as im sure most other posters would after seeing what you wrote.

sorry bro, end of convo

[Scott9945]

It's called human evolution, which has been documented and proven. Not "opinion".

So no, Robinson is not as fast nor as strong as fighters today.


Do you think Jim Brown probably the greatest running back to ever live, playing in today's NFL, would even have close to the same numbers he did when playing in the '50s?

If you were match-up Brown physically with someone like Tomlinson, I mean, it's not even comparable.

For further proof, do you know what the men's 100 meter dash record was in 1950? 10.4 seconds, which is slower than todays Women's record.

Ray Robinson, Jim Brown, and Wilt Chamberlain would all be superstars if they played/fought now. Go ahead and match up Brown with Tomlinson physically, then let me know what you come up with. The fighters from Robinson's era were fundamentally stronger because they fought more often. Most of todays stars couldn't even fight in their divisions if they had to weigh in the same day.