Can Pacquiao beat JMM?

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  • jabsRstiff
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    #31
    Originally posted by Ultimate
    Im hoping JMM beats PAC so Erik can move to 135 ASAP.

    Him staying at 130 all this time is not doing his career (and future mega fight plans) much good.

    He hasn't been at 130 for a year yet. He's had two fights !

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    • ELPacman
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      #32
      I don't think JMM has a chance in a rematch. Manny obviously had 1 plan that he wasn't going to switch for the whole fight. That was finish him off quickly with left hand. Having planned that, once he shot all he could in 1st rd and hand was injured, he could do nothing more except survive with no new plan and an injured hand for the rest of the fight. I don't know who did better, Manny with no plan, or Marquez with a broken nose :P There is no way Manny is going to have 1 plan this time in a rematch. You will see him more developed as when he fought Barrera incase his first plan which I think will be knock him out again doesn't work. What will JMM do? He's always been a counter puncher, he can't change. Manny seems to be a different fighter in every fight I've seen. Adjusting according to his opponent. I think it'll be a TKO win in rematch for Manny. If things go terribly wrong, then I could see JMM getting a decision. Manny knows whats at stake this time, he won't risk it.

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      • baya
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        #33
        Originally posted by ELPacman
        I don't think JMM has a chance in a rematch. Manny obviously had 1 plan that he wasn't going to switch for the whole fight. That was finish him off quickly with left hand. Having planned that, once he shot all he could in 1st rd and hand was injured, he could do nothing more except survive with no new plan and an injured hand for the rest of the fight. I don't know who did better, Manny with no plan, or Marquez with a broken nose :P There is no way Manny is going to have 1 plan this time in a rematch. You will see him more developed as when he fought Barrera incase his first plan which I think will be knock him out again doesn't work. What will JMM do? He's always been a counter puncher, he can't change. Manny seems to be a different fighter in every fight I've seen. Adjusting according to his opponent. I think it'll be a TKO win in rematch for Manny. If things go terribly wrong, then I could see JMM getting a decision. Manny knows whats at stake this time, he won't risk it.
        i'd expect that type of post from a guy named elpacman.

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        • .::|ULTIMATE|::.
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          #34
          Originally posted by jabsRstiff
          He hasn't been at 130 for a year yet. He's had two fights !
          Yeah but time is ticking he's been in too many wars, he's already 28, his goal is to be 4 division champ and defend the title but even more than that is to try to strike a deal with Mayweather Jr. and get a fight with him at catch weight of 138lbs.

          hehe btw officially its been 3 fights

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          • abdiel2k3
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            #35
            Originally posted by chito
            The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

            The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

            My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

            I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

            It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

            that 1st roudn JMM tryed to fight with a style that wasnt his
            he felt he would be to strong for pac and found it not true
            next time he wont give pac that oppurtunity
            hes gonna fight the whole fight counteren which is what hes good at and what got him to where he is
            he'll use smart aggression this time
            i hope pac knocked some sense into him in that 1st round
            this time in the later rounds he'll be alot fresher and stronger since he wont go through another round 1 like in the firts fight
            JMM by w12 or possibly late KO more likely TKO cuz i dont think manny will quit or try not to get up and make the count

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            • oldgringo
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              #36
              Originally posted by Ultimate
              Yeah but time is ticking he's been in too many wars, he's already 28, his goal is to be 4 division champ and defend the title but even more than that is to try to strike a deal with Mayweather Jr. and get a fight with him at catch weight of 138lbs.

              hehe btw officially its been 3 fights
              Ooh that's what I'd like to see.

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              • ELPacman
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                #37
                Originally posted by baya
                i'd expect that type of post from a guy named elpacman.
                Thank you That's not to say I'm not worried if he faces him again, my heart will be pounding knowing he could let it slip away again

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                • SalvaDominicano
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                  #38
                  not any more.. pacs only chance was to hit jmm one more time when he was on the floor that way he wouldnt make the 10 count. after that pac knew he wouldnt win by knockout.

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                  • abdiel2k3
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by cheech306
                    not any more.. pacs only chance was to hit jmm one more time when he was on the floor that way he wouldnt make the 10 count. after that pac knew he wouldnt win by knockout.
                    he tryed it
                    on the third KD marquez is about to pull himself up
                    and pac hits him again
                    not too hard but he a nice tap

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                    • m00ks
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by chito
                      The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

                      The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

                      My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

                      I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

                      It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?
                      Here are my two main reasons:

                      Both fighters start fresh, no injuries, no excuses.
                      - I don't know if you guys noticed, I'm probably the only one.
                      The difference in Pac's movements from the first round compared with the rest of the fight. Now it's a matter of opinion if you believe Pac's injuries or not but the fact that he wasn't moving in-out, side to side (which is a style best suited for a counter puncher) like he usually does is proof enough for me. He was flat footed and had to rely on head movements to get away from the punches instead of using his feet.

                      Pac was outboxed in most of the rounds, but I believe this is due to the reduction of mobility. After he threw a punch he was a sitting duck to be counterpunched.

                      Round 9
                      -This is probably what the rematch will look like. Marquez was still fully aware of Pac's left. But Pac threw feints and was able to connect flush on the nose. JMM would counter, Pac would step back, JMM misses and exposes his chin once again for another punch. For those of you who don't remember, MAB tried countering, Pacs in and out movements made himself impossible to be hit.

                      My opinion is a fresh Pac with proper feet and head movements, feints and a healthy left hand would ridicule JMM. He can counter all he wants but Pac's socks would hold this time and he wouldn't be there to be hit. In a rematch, JMM wouldn't be thinking only of Pac's straight left and that makes him all the more vulnerable for feints and other attacks.

                      Pac will soften up JMM early, mash the body, then go for the kill. That's my theory.

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