Pound for Pound top 4

[J_CON]

1.Pac
2.Calzaghe
3.Mayweather
4.Vazquez

[MakeDamnSure]

Pac #1 for getting two gifts against Marquez and beating a washed up Morales and Barrera (the rematch)?ROFL


You say Floyd is a coward and fought a smaller Hatton.

and a old Delahoya.



But how old is Marquez,How old was Barrera in the rematch?
Was `nt Delahoya bigger then Floyd?Wheres the "Oscar is fighting a smaller man?You a clown.

If pacqiauo is so brave why is`nt he fighting Joan Guzman ,Zaheer Raheem
and other young prime fighters as opposed to a 34 year old washed up Barrera,An old Marquez who beat his ass twice,And a washed up Morales.


Now hes going after the weakest title holder at lightweight and you call Mayweather a coward.


When is your counterfiet Mexican asassin going to take a fighter whose not old or has pulse?

Your **** as Dumb.. If Pac fought Guzman and Valero and ducked Barrera, Morales and marquez, will the people considered Pac the Number 2 P4P? Hell No Jesus who the **** do you want him to fight back them.. Pac beat Marquez twice if not for the judges mistake, and knock him down 5 times already it was a close fight..

Floyd lost to Castillo, handpicked his opponent did not fought any Welterweight for the last 3 years.. Floyd is a ***** and a Coward.. He will be dropped at many sportswriter are already pissed at him.. Floyd's a *****.. rematching Oscar in 2008 and Hatton in 2009 is the most coward act in Boxing History. .. Floyd is a *****! You can praise and create a thread about Floyd here and you'll just get bashed of Floyd being a *****..

[Left Hook Tua]

The best match-up for Joe was Bhop..
The ebst match-up for Pac was Marquez

The best match-up for Floyd was Cotto and Margarito and he chose a smaller Hatton and rematching a fading Oscar..

1. Pac/ Joe
2. Cotto (After he KO Marg)
3. Floyd (due to inactivity and rematching a Shot Oscar)

i like you , damn. you're a fellow pacfan but that list is crap. almost as bad as the list from the guy who started this thread.

pac , joe and cotto are not above floyd on any list.

i know floyd has been fighting easy fights lately and he's not fighting the top guys in his division but he's still #1 p4p.

floyd has better skills than the other 3 if that's your criteria AND he has fought better opposition than the other 3 as well if your criteria is resume.

[JoartCC]

i like you , damn. you're a fellow pacfan but that list is crap. almost as bad as the list from the guy who started this thread.

pac , joe and cotto are not above floyd on any list.

i know floyd has been fighting easy fights lately and he's not fighting the top guys in his division but he's still #1 p4p.

floyd has better skills than the other 3 if that's your criteria AND he has fought better opposition than the other 3 as well if your criteria is resume.

Baldo, Gatti, Judah...

Wow!

If that was my resume I'd piss on everyone for having so fcking great a resume.

Lols.

[Left Hook Tua]

Pac #1 for getting two gifts against Marquez and beating a washed up Morales and Barrera (the rematch)?ROFL


You say Floyd is a coward and fought a smaller Hatton.

and a old Delahoya.



But how old is Marquez,How old was Barrera in the rematch?
Was `nt Delahoya bigger then Floyd?Wheres the "Oscar is fighting a smaller man?You a clown.

If pacqiauo is so brave why is`nt he fighting Joan Guzman ,Zaheer Raheem
and other young prime fighters as opposed to a 34 year old washed up Barrera,An old Marquez who beat his ass twice,And a washed up Morales.


Now hes going after the weakest title holder at lightweight and you call Mayweather a coward.


When is your counterfiet Mexican asassin going to take a fighter whose not old or has pulse?

damn so much bull**** being slung by both sides on this. can't people write/think objectively anymore?

i agree with you about floyd being no. 1 but you don't have to trash manny's record either. past prime or not morales and barrera were at the top of the 126-130 divisions when manny fought them. 1st time he fought marco , marco was the #1 guy at 126. morales was still on the p4p list when manny fought him and he was the 130 champ just before he fought manny. he lost the belt to marco. say what you want about the marquez fight but he still won and drew with marquez when juan had 2 belts at 126 and the 130 belt. as far as guzman and valero they were not at the top of the list at 130. they were 5th and 6th behind marquez , morales , pacquiao and barrera. how is manny ducking guys at 130 when he fought 3 of the top 4 guys at 130? and the only reason he didn't fight 4 of the top 4 is because he was one of them.

you can make your point about floyd without ****ting on the #2 guy you know.

[Left Hook Tua]

Baldo, Gatti, Judah...

Wow!

If that was my resume I'd piss on everyone for having so fcking great a resume.

Lols.

forgot about corrales , castillo , hatton , chavez , hernandez , mitchell.

and baldomir was the lineal 147 champ , gatti was 140 champ and judah was both.

oh and everyone talks crap about de la hoya. de la hoya could've won that fight. he gave floyd as much problems as anybody. let's not forget how great de la hoya was. past prime yes but still a great win. morales was past prime but it was still a great win for manny because erik was still competitive at 130wasn't he? what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

if you are gonna discount someones wins because of a reason you have to use that same reason when you talk about the other guy as well. if you call manny's wins against hofers that are past prime a bit GOOD WINS then the same kind of wins for floyd are GOOD WINS as well. and vice versa.

[JoartCC]

forgot about corrales , castillo , hatton , chavez , hernandez , mitchell.

and baldomir was the lineal 147 champ , gatti was 140 champ and judah was both.

oh and everyone talks crap about de la hoya. de la hoya could've won that fight. he gave floyd as much problems as anybody. let's not forget how great de la hoya was. past prime yes but still a great win. morales was past prime but it was still a great win for manny because erik was still competitive at 130wasn't he? what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

if you are gonna discount someones wins because of a reason you have to use that same reason when you talk about the other guy as well. if you call manny's wins against hofers that are past prime a bit GOOD WINS then the same kind of wins for floyd are GOOD WINS as well. and vice versa.

Castillo beat him once.

Corrales is fine.

Chavez, her, mitch, good contenders you fight when you're going up.

But I will not explain to you more complex issues. It's obvious you're a new poster here. Your questions have already been discussed by men 10 times smarter than you are in the past.

I will make it elementary for you.

Casamayor
Freitas
Kostya
Spafa
Mosley
Marg
COtto
WIlliams
Quintana
Cintron
Clottey

You'd be an idiot to believe the words of a guy he calls himself the G.O.A.T. when he has ducked all his life.

And for your EDUCATION.

A p4p king doesn't piss on his pants like a coward... Like Fake FLoyd does.

Here's the vid. Fcking coward pissing on his pants trying to shout mama to save him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbyQsaigxxU&feature=related

[Left Hook Tua]

Castillo beat him once.

Corrales is fine.

Chavez, her, mitch, good contenders you fight when you're going up.

But I will not explain to you more complex issues. It's obvious you're a new poster here. Your questions have already been discussed by men 10 times smarter than you are in the past.

I will make it elementary for you.

Casamayor
Freitas
Kostya
Spafa
Mosley
Marg
COtto
WIlliams
Quintana
Cintron
Clottey

You'd be an idiot to believe the words of a guy he calls himself the G.O.A.T. when he has ducked all his life.

And for your EDUCATION.

A p4p king doesn't piss on his pants like a coward... Like Fake FLoyd does.

Here's the vid. Fcking coward pissing on his pants trying to shout mama to save him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbyQs...eature=related

don't call me any names , bro. i don't call you names. this is a forum on the internet. you want to call me names in person that's fine by me i can do something about it. unless you're in the la area then pm me and we can discuss this in person. but there's no point in getting into name callin online. it doesn't resolve anything. you want to debate that's what this forum is for. debate and discussion doesn't mean the other guy has to agree with you by the way.

as far as your post no i am not an idiot. i'm a pretty smart guy actually i just don't happen to agree with you on this particular topic.

i don't need an education by the way. i've been watching boxing since i was a kid with my dad. not a boxing historian by any means but i feel i know enough to at least discuss most topics on this forum.

nice list of guys floyd hasn't fought. who do you have above him? manny? joe? cotto? there's a list of guys they haven't fought as well you know. people jump weight classes , boxers go after the big money , some guys don't have name recognition yet , etc. there's a lot of reasons why fighters don't fight each other. this is not basketball or baseball or football. there is no playoff format here. there's no schedule that you have to go by.

by the way...... you're arguing with the wrong guy. i hate floyd. i want cotto or oscar or whoever to beat him. when i put him #1 is not because i want to or i don't like the other guys. it's because i try to be objective.

[QUISQUEYA]

if joe recieves so much credit for popkins then cotto should recieve even more for mosley

Great point.

[QUISQUEYA]

i think the top four are pretty clear here; lets look at their last 4 fights and see if we can agree on any sort of order
my order

1. Calzaghe - hopkins(hall of famer), kessler (undefeated unified champ), manfredo( contender at best) , lacy(undefeated champion)
2. Pacquiao - marquez(tough mexican champ in his prime) barrera(old guy should have been retired but HOFer) solis(is he even a fighter anymore) morales(see barrera)
3. Israel Vazquez- Rafael Marquez in 3 battles, won 2 of 3 battles and the war, Johnny gonzales (badass mexican)
4. Floyd Mayweather - Ricky Hatton (140 pound champ) OLDH (154 lb paper titlist) Zab Judah (contender), Carlos Baldomir (the luckiest fighter ever)

Seems a bit biased.

Didn't Hatton spend most of his career at a higher weight than Mayweather? Do you diminish Hagler and Leonard for losing to guys who moved up?

Also, how do you give props to Barrera, but belittle Oscar? Is DLH just a "paper titlist", or is he ALSO a HOF'er?