Roy Jones-Tavoris Cloud: Winner Gets Tarver?

[FLY TY]

[QUOTE=ree****yaluss;3376020]First of all i dont have 20 pictures of roy in my profile??????

Second of all i might be a fan, but i dont have nuthugger goggles on

Roy is past his prime, but SHOT, I dont agree with..

James Toney and arturro gatti are SHOT

Roy in the third tarver fight... i dont blame him for the way he fought... he had just been knocked out twice... I think he needed to last for 12 rounds just to prove to himself that he could

At this point in time, being that was 4 years ago, and hes coming off 3 wins... each fighter being better than the last, I dont think roy is AFRAID of tarver in the least bit...

Beating tito sure doesnt mean roy is back... it also doesnt mean he cant still win against someone.. he wont dominate like he did in his prime... but that doesnt mean he still cant compete at the elite level anymore, win lose or draw.. he is still a competitive fighter for anyone

And he DOES want calzaghe, and I truly believe he WOULD be willing to do whatever just to get that fight signed...
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i kno u actually don't have 20 pics of rjj, i was just saying u have him on your avatar, so u are obviously a big fan.

tarver KO'ed jones, almost did it again in the third fight, even though it was obvious roy didn't want to win, he was just trying to "survive".

roy just beat three ppl, but were any of them the threat level of an antonio tarver? the only point i'm making is that IF they fight again, roy will still have a few things in the back of his mind, and eventually, he wont be worried about winning, he'll be trying to survive again. he may be able to beat some fighters, but he cant beat tarver, there's a mental issue there. a fourth fight won't be worth it. that's all im saying. rjj doesn't want to fight tarver again. he may want to "get in the ring with him," but he is not going to fight. at least not the way his fans would expect him to.

[THE REED]

[QUOTE=tyde13;3376125]

i kno u actually don't have 20 pics of rjj, i was just saying u have him on your avatar, so u are obviously a big fan.

tarver KO'ed jones, almost did it again in the third fight, even though it was obvious roy didn't want to win, he was just trying to "survive".

roy just beat three ppl, but were any of them the threat level of an antonio tarver? the only point i'm making is that IF they fight again, roy will still have a few things in the back of his mind, and eventually, he wont be worried about winning, he'll be trying to survive again. he may be able to beat some fighters, but he cant beat tarver, there's a mental issue there. a fourth fight won't be worth it. that's all im saying. rjj doesn't want to fight tarver again. he may want to "get in the ring with him," but he is not going to fight. at least not the way his fans would expect him to.

Of course those 3 werent as good as tarver... the dudes trying to rebuild whats left of the end of his career...

Hanshaw was better than badi

Tito was better than hanshaw

he knocked down hanshaw in the 11th, and tito down twice... now obviously those arent elite fighters anymore... but it still shows for 39... hes still got some tools in the arsenal, and he can still compete... win lose or draw, he can still compete...

arguiing over a 4th tarver fight is ******ed because it obviously wont happen.

[Drunken Cat]

This is his second to last fight:


I'm not convinced.

[FLY TY]

[QUOTE=ree****yaluss;3376144]

Of course those 3 werent as good as tarver... the dudes trying to rebuild whats left of the end of his career...

Hanshaw was better than badi

Tito was better than hanshaw

he knocked down hanshaw in the 11th, and tito down twice... now obviously those arent elite fighters anymore... but it still shows for 39... hes still got some tools in the arsenal, and he can still compete... win lose or draw, he can still compete...

arguiing over a 4th tarver fight is ******ed because it obviously wont happen.

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u're right, but I am only arguing over a fourth tarver fight b/c that was the point of the article. As a response, I said I don’t think roy should fight tarver again, unless he's willing to go all out, shich I don’t think he is. Now I kno there are a lot of rjjj fans, and believe me, i am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but u said he's trying to rebuild the end of his career, and i feel like he should retire, unless he really wants to fight "real" fighters. i love hopkins, but at least he's not taking on bums, he's fighting dangerous opponents, matter of fact, after the taylor fights, he's been the underdog in the rest of his fights (except the winky one, which was even or had hops slightly ahead). the point i'm making is that when it gets to the point of you fighting guys you would've dusted in your prime, just to prove you're not completely done, its a little useless and you should retire. but if u wanna keep fighting, fight good fights, dont try to line your pockets by feeding the paying public fights against guys you're obviously going to beat. if you're going to keep fighting, take chances. or quit fighting. period. no disrespect to any rjj fans. but that's how i feel. if hopkins were to try to fight antwon echols again, as a fan, i would just rather have my guy retire.

[THE REED]

[QUOTE=tyde13;3376421]

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u're right, but I am only arguing over a fourth tarver fight b/c that was the point of the article. As a response, I said I don’t think roy should fight tarver again, unless he's willing to go all out, shich I don’t think he is. Now I kno there are a lot of rjjj fans, and believe me, i am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but u said he's trying to rebuild the end of his career, and i feel like he should retire, unless he really wants to fight "real" fighters. i love hopkins, but at least he's not taking on bums, he's fighting dangerous opponents, matter of fact, after the taylor fights, he's been the underdog in the rest of his fights (except the winky one, which was even or had hops slightly ahead). the point i'm making is that when it gets to the point of you fighting guys you would've dusted in your prime, just to prove you're not completely done, its a little useless and you should retire. but if u wanna keep fighting, fight good fights, dont try to line your pockets by feeding the paying public fights against guys you're obviously going to beat. if you're going to keep fighting, take chances. or quit fighting. period. no disrespect to any rjj fans. but that's how i feel. if hopkins were to try to fight antwon echols again, as a fan, i would just rather have my guy retire.

Yes, and i agree with you, i do... but when your coming off 3 losses... tune up fights are quite necessary if you do in fact wanna go out on a big championship fight... which is.. exactly what he wishes to do...

Bernard is in a different stage of his career because he isnt coming off 3 losses 2 by KO... tune up fights arent as necessary for bernard as they are for roy... He will definitely take the lesser of the purses just to get a fight with joe... win lose or draw.. he is still a competitive fighter, even at this stage...

[BrendanWoodside]

[QUOTE=ree****yaluss;3376432]

Yes, and i agree with you, i do... but when your coming off 3 losses... tune up fights are quite necessary if you do in fact wanna go out on a big championship fight... which is.. exactly what he wishes to do...

Bernard is in a different stage of his career because he isnt coming off 3 losses 2 by KO... tune up fights arent as necessary for bernard as they are for roy... He will definitely take the lesser of the purses just to get a fight with joe... win lose or draw.. he is still a competitive fighter, even at this stage...

he should fight tarver its obviously the fight everyone wants to see!!!

[FLY TY]

[QUOTE=ree****yaluss;3376432]

Yes, and i agree with you, i do... but when your coming off 3 losses... tune up fights are quite necessary if you do in fact wanna go out on a big championship fight... which is.. exactly what he wishes to do...

Bernard is in a different stage of his career because he isnt coming off 3 losses 2 by KO... tune up fights arent as necessary for bernard as they are for roy... He will definitely take the lesser of the purses just to get a fight with joe... win lose or draw.. he is still a competitive fighter, even at this stage...

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well im still not quite sold that roy will go to england, AND take less money for a crack at joe. That takes some ego-dumping, and 3 losses or not roy still has an ego of being one of the best to have ever done it. I guess we'll see. I hope you're right, for his fans' sake, that roy really wants to go out in a "big" championship fight, b/c like i said, anything less is pointless, and his fans deserve better.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

[QUOTE=BrendanWoodside;3376439]

he should fight tarver its obviously the fight everyone wants to see!!!

yea it the fight i want to see

[FLY TY]

[QUOTE=VERSION1 (V1);3376630]

yea it the fight i want to see

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IF HE'S SERIOUS ABOUT REBULDING HIS LEGACY & CAREER, then tarver is where he should start………….

[Chase8400]

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c'mon man. just forget for a second u might be a lil'bias b/c u r a rjj fan, which is obvious b/c u got like 20 pics of him on your user profile. pretend for a second u have no opinion on him.

roy said, he'd go to wales, and blah blah blah. but roy going to wales, AND giving joe a 60-40 split??? let's be real. rjj still thinks he's the best fighter in the game, and if i think i'm the best, i wouldn't be talking about fighting another man in his backyard, plus giving him more money. roy didn't even want to give hopkins a 50-50 split when they were in negotiations and hopkins just beat the man who basically ended roy's career! like i said roy is into name calling right now, b/c the only reason to fight him at this point is for money. he is shot, and any boxer serious about their legacy, knows a victory over him means NOTHING at this point................

think about it, if you're pound for pound number 1, and a consensus "unbeatable" fighter, then u get a guy calling you out who says he beat u in the amateurs and now you're ducking him. so u fight him, barely squeak by and some even think u LOST the first fight, so u feel OBLIGATED to fight him again. u get KO'ed and LOSE for the first time in your career. your very next fight, u get KO'ed by another guy. u fight tarver again (and i was rooting for jones, by the way), and u fight for 5 rounds, then run the rest of the fight, and almost get KO'ed again in the 11th!

buddy, tarver is IN ROY's head at this point. fight him again, and he'll run again, b/c tarver made roy respect his power by showing he can beat him with 1 punch. seriously, if roy thought he could beat tarver he would've fought him in that third fight, and not ran, and he would be doing everything he possibly could to get a fourth fight. he knows whats up, tarver would fight roy again, but ROY WANTS NO MORE OF TARVER!!!! understand that, for all the reasons i listed above................if they fight again, it would be for the money, and one could expect a repeat of the third fight, with roy just trying to "survive." that's real talk.

Roy should not have to give up a split to a man he already beat easily. And I have seen most of the fight and do not think that B-hop was even in the fight at any point. Roy would beat Tarver any time he fought at least as well as he did in the Hanshaw and Ajamu fights. He just got caught in the 2nd fight and didn't even try in the 3rd fight. And why would you ever think he was scared of Tarver when he fought him after getting KO'd back to back. You are an idiot who should be ignored on here.