Clottey-Margarito indicative of Cotto-Margarito?

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

Clottey arguably has a better offense then Cotto...Double and triple left hooks to the face and head...a solid jab..........etc.

Clottey also is better defensively...and so far has shown a better chin.

I believe Cotto could get knocked out.

I completely disagree with you on Clottey having a better offense than Cotto. Better defense that argument can be made. But a better offense?? I guarantee the majority of guys here on BS and experts will say goes to Cotto over Clottey. Completely disagree with that.

[Addison]

Yes, Clottey, you know, the guy who was beating him until he damaged his hand? And Cintrón, you know, the former champion with the highest KO percentage among WWs, arguably the harder puncher at WW, and who has only lost to Margarito.

Unless of course you consider Clottey and Cintrón journeymen, bums, or shot fighters...

if Julio César Chávez Jr. fights Clottey and defeats him, or better yet, had defeated Cintrón (Puertorican) and had claimed a WW championship belt, he is instantly a West Coast fanchise (if he isn't yet).

Like I was trying to tell you - you have no clue what you're talking about with all due respect..

This is about something called BOX OFFICE.

$$$ having a NAME.

[Ras44]

Ok, so you think Mayweather vs. Cotto is going to get made? When exactly?

I repeat:

Cotto unifying the titles and either forcing Mayweather to agree to a fight, or forcing the boxing press to recognize him as the P4P champion

If Cotto beats Margarito, and Mayweather still doesn't wants to fight, Cotto just needs to defeat Quintana and has either forced Mayweather to a match, or forced the boxing press, at the very least to drop Mayweather from P4P status and quite possibly put Cotto as #1 P4P.

[Pullcounter]

I watched Clottey-Marg and the first 4 rounds before Clottey got injured was a shutout. Clottey evaded and blocked Tony's shots and landed his left hooks to the head and the body pretty much at will. His combinations were effective and as well. To me if Clottey could land left hooks to the head, body, block and avoid alot of the incoming and land his combinations before injured. In Margarito's defense he had only fought twice in the 20 months before the fight but everything that Clottey was effective with is stuff Cotto's known for. Plus Cotto's handspeed is better than Clottey's. Is it too much of a leap to think Cotto's gonna win and win comfortably? Just wondering what you guys think.

clottey is a peekaboo fighter Cotto isn't. so cotto/marg isn't going to look anything like clottey/marg

[Ras44]

Like I was trying to tell you - you have no clue what you're talking about with all due respect..

This is about something called BOX OFFICE.

$$$ having a NAME.

Which Margarito doesn't have right now, and which other fighter, named Julio César Chávez Jr., would have if he had defeated the same people Margarito has defeated.

Margarito, using you own words, doesn't have a "box office name". Just like Yory Boy Campas, he is not a big seller and is not a franchise.

[Addison]

I repeat:

Cotto unifying the titles and either forcing Mayweather to agree to a fight, or forcing the boxing press to recognize him as the P4P champion

If Cotto beats Margarito, and Mayweather still doesn't wants to fight, Cotto just needs to defeat Quintana and has either forced Mayweather to a match, or forced the boxing press, at the very least to drop Mayweather from P4P status and quite possibly put Cotto as #1 P4P.

Which Margarito doesn't have right now, and which other fighter, named Julio César Chávez Jr., would have if he had defeated the same people Margarito has defeated.

Margarito, using you own words, doesn't have a "box office name". Just like Yory Boy Campas, he is not a big seller and is not a franchise.

Look, I appreciate that you're a Boxing fan, I'm one too, but it's important that we remove ourselves from our fan perception when we try to understand the business of Boxing. You aren't doing that here ^, at all.

[Ras44]

Look, I appreciate that you're a Boxing fan, I'm one too, but it's important that we remove ourselves from our fan perception when we try to understand the business of Boxing. You aren't doing that here ^, at all.

I'm not going to argue anymore after this post.

1. JCC Jr. is a bigger ticket seller than Margarito, without having Margarito's record.

2. If JCC Jr. had defeated Clottey and/or Cintrón (either taking his undefeated record or taking the championship) JCC Jr. would be a superstar in the West Coast. Margarito has done all those things, and isn't a superstar. He is respected among hardcore fans, and possibly even feared by his enemies, but not a superstar, a great ticket seller.

3. The current hot topic regarding Mexico and it's rivalries with other countries is not Puerto Rico, it's Phillipines and Pacquiao. Wether Juan Manuel Márquez becomes a superstar ticket seller on his own merits without fighting Pacquiao remains to be seen, but as it is, the attention is on him.

My conclusion regarding Margarito: He has not been able to capture the hearts of the majority of his people, despite having a good record, defeating good opponents, and being a feared champion. Some fighters never do, and we have also seen that in Puerto Rico with Daniel Santos.

On Cotto:

1. I would say that, right now, Cotto is about 65-70% of what Tito was regarding popularity here in Puerto Rico. Though that isn't close to 100%, it is huge, because Tito was larger than life in Puerto Rico, sort of like what Menudo was once upon a time here (ask any boricua and he'll tell you).

2. Cotto is already on the P4P list. If he takes the title from Margarito and from Quintana, Floyd Mayweather has to fight him. There is no other fight to be made at WW, no bigger opponent. He would have the gold. The fight would have to be made, and it will be the biggest fight since Mayweather/DLH. If Floyd decides to pursue other fights, the boxing press, which sells on accord of their perceived credibility, would have to a) Declare Cotto the #1 P4P fighter or b)Drop Mayweather from #1 P4P and put him after Cotto, regardless of Cotto's position. In that scenario, the big money fights at welterweight will be Cotto fights. So there you have the money.

And on JCC Jr.
If he improves to the point where he can challenge Cotto, it would be a much bigger fight than Cotto/Margarito. Not on the level of Camacho/Chávez (Camacho was HATED by the Mexicans), but a huge fight nonetheless.

That's what I'm talking about.
I'll agree to disagree with you.

[Addison]

I'm not going to argue anymore after this post.

1. JCC Jr. is a bigger ticket seller than Margarito, without having Margarito's record.

2. If JCC Jr. had defeated Clottey and/or Cintrón (either taking his undefeated record or taking the championship) JCC Jr. would be a superstar in the West Coast. Margarito has done all those things, and isn't a superstar. He is respected among hardcore fans, and possibly even feared by his enemies, but not a superstar, a great ticket seller.

3. The current hot topic regarding Mexico and it's rivalries with other countries is not Puerto Rico, it's Phillipines and Pacquiao. Wether Juan Manuel Márquez becomes a superstar ticket seller on his own merits without fighting Pacquiao remains to be seen, but as it is, the attention is on him.

My conclusion regarding Margarito: He has not been able to capture the hearts of the majority of his people, despite having a good record, defeating good opponents, and being a feared champion. Some fighters never do, and we have also seen that in Puerto Rico with Daniel Santos.

On Cotto:

1. I would say that, right now, Cotto is about 65-70% of what Tito was regarding popularity here in Puerto Rico. Though that isn't close to 100%, it is huge, because Tito was larger than life in Puerto Rico, sort of like what Menudo was once upon a time here (ask any boricua and he'll tell you).

2. Cotto is already on the P4P list. If he takes the title from Margarito and from Quintana, Floyd Mayweather has to fight him. There is no other fight to be made at WW, no bigger opponent. He would have the gold. The fight would have to be made, and it will be the biggest fight since Mayweather/DLH. If Floyd decides to pursue other fights, the boxing press, which sells on accord of their perceived credibility, would have to a) Declare Cotto the #1 P4P fighter or b)Drop Mayweather from #1 P4P and put him after Cotto, regardless of Cotto's position. In that scenario, the big money fights at welterweight will be Cotto fights. So there you have the money.

And on JCC Jr.
If he improves to the point where he can challenge Cotto, it would be a much bigger fight than Cotto/Margarito. Not on the level of Camacho/Chávez (Camacho was HATED by the Mexicans), but a huge fight nonetheless.

That's what I'm talking about.
I'll agree to disagree with you.

HaHA.. Interesting points but again - this has nothing to do with what I was saying. Ah well.. It's interesting enough, and you know I've already rated you 5 stars in the past so you undersand I appreciate your work.