Clottey-Margarito indicative of Cotto-Margarito?

**Addison** · 04-16-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by WetSexyLlamaPR

I watched Clottey-Marg and the first 4 rounds before Clottey got injured was a shutout. Clottey evaded and blocked Tony's shots and landed his left hooks to the head and the body pretty much at will. His combinations were effective and as well. To me if Clottey could land left hooks to the head, body, block and avoid alot of the incoming and land his combinations before injured. In Margarito's defense he had only fought twice in the 20 months before the fight but everything that Clottey was effective with is stuff Cotto's known for. Plus Cotto's handspeed is better than Clottey's. Is it too much of a leap to think Cotto's gonna win and win comfortably? Just wondering what you guys think.

Yes, it's way too much of a leap to think that. It doesn't matter if Cotto is 1000X the offensive fighter Clottey is - which he isn't - Cotto emerging victorious in the Margarito fight is in question because of his defensive lapses and questionable chin. Anyone got the Gomez fight? Watch it again carefully. Cotto gets caught plenty of times clean. On at least one occasion Cotto's legs buckled slightly when Gomez caught him with a right hand against the ropes. Several of the times Cotto got caught he danced away. That's not always for effect, he's shaking it off. The kid is still iffy on taking punches. Watch Cotto's legs as he gets hit:

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He's getting better at playing it off though, that's why Mosley for one, didn't collapse on him when he was buzzing.. Margarito collapses regardless. Horrible matchup for Cotto.

**Fox McCloud** · 04-16-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Addison

Yes, it's way too much of a leap to think that. It doesn't matter if Cotto is 1000X the offensive fighter Clottey is - which he isn't - Cotto emerging victorious in the Margarito fight is in question because of his defensive lapses and questionable chin. Anyone got the Gomez fight? Watch it again carefully. Cotto gets caught plenty of times clean. On at least one occasion Cotto's legs buckled slightly when Gomez caught him with a right hand against the ropes. Several of the times Cotto got caught he danced away. That's not always for effect, he's shaking it off. The kid is still iffy on taking punches.

It doesn't matter if he can take a punch or not...

Your signature shows that he has the perfect solution for recovering from getting smacked.

"I do what I need to do to win"

**Ras44** · 04-16-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by WetSexyLlamaPR

I watched Clottey-Marg and the first 4 rounds before Clottey got injured was a shutout. Clottey evaded and blocked Tony's shots and landed his left hooks to the head and the body pretty much at will. His combinations were effective and as well. To me if Clottey could land left hooks to the head, body, block and avoid alot of the incoming and land his combinations before injured. In Margarito's defense he had only fought twice in the 20 months before the fight but everything that Clottey was effective with is stuff Cotto's known for. Plus Cotto's handspeed is better than Clottey's. Is it too much of a leap to think Cotto's gonna win and win comfortably? Just wondering what you guys think.

I just finished checking the download section and saw the fight link and your post giving the guy 1K. Seems like you are in a hurry to watch the fight.

Regarding your comment, I think it may not be a leap, however, attacking his head should not be his priority, because the same thing that happened to Clottey could also happen to Cotto. That's my take.

Margarito is tough.

**MANGLER** · 04-16-2008, 09:02 PM

Clottey and Cotto have somewhat similar styles, but I still think Cotto has more pop than Clottey and could do more damage with his shots. His hands aren't as fast as Clotteys though, and Clottey throws more combos. The 2 fights from Marg's standpoint wouldn't be exactly the same, but the comparison may be relevant.

**Addison** · 04-16-2008, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

It doesn't matter if he can take a punch or not...

Your signature shows that he has the perfect solution for recovering from getting smacked.

"I do what I need to do to win"

I wouldn't blame him if he did. What he needs to do is hit Bob Arum in his nuts for making this fight. It's a setup.

**Addison** · 04-16-2008, 09:03 PM

Cotto puts a nice solid one into Gomez' back for that though.

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**Fox McCloud** · 04-16-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Addison

I wouldn't blame him if he did. What he needs to do is hit Bob Arum in his nuts for making this fight. It's a setup.

Do you really think Arum values Margarito more than Cotto?

I honestly cannot imagine a single reason why he would do that.

**Addison** · 04-16-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Addison

Cotto puts a nice solid one into Gomez' back for that though.

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Note how the back punch throws Gomez forward several feet.

Cotto is ridiculously strong.

Gomez is a friggin gimp, that doesn't help, but regardless - Cotto isn't trying to win these things ****ing around trying to play target practice. He brings out the *******, like Steward said..

**Addison** · 04-16-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

Do you really think Arum values Margarito more than Cotto?

I honestly cannot imagine a single reason why he would do that.

Can't imagine a single reason, ay?..

HaHA.. This isn't about who he values more. Bob Arum values money. That's his job, these fighters are his showdogs, nothing personal about it.

Here's what I said to my man Joe:

Originally posted by Addison

Definately, it's truly us, and the winner of course, who benefits. A win for Margarito puts him over the Moon. A win for Cotto is another feather in his cap, but only hardcore fans would appreciate it. There's no business sense in Miguel taking the fight.

If Margarito wins he will become a star. Cotto will stay a star even if he loses and Top Rank will have a new Margarito franchise in the West Coast to match the one they have in the East, with Cotto.

Margarito wins; and Arum's company will see tens of millions of dollars in profit over time. Margarito loses; and there is very little upend, very little profit overall and Cotto just keeps trucking along with no overwhelming boost created by beating Margarito, who will be inevitably devalued after his 6th loss and on his way out..

This isn't just about one fight. This is about a boxload of fights.

Namean?

Clottey-Margarito indicative of Cotto-Margarito?