FACTS ONLY THREAD(NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arugments w/o FACTs, DONT ENTER..!

[Horus]

Well I think the point 2501 is trying to make is no one can prove who was the draw for Mayweather/Gatti unless you polled everyone who ordered and watch the fight. You can speculate and take an educated guess, but in the end it's just a guess, not fact.

That's why I said Present your Argument with Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight..
and looking back at the history of the fight..


and i make it Clear that Gatti wasnt the Focus of that Fight, because if he was he had plenty off oppurtunities to Headline a P.P.V but didnt..

Bob ARum whole conflict with Floyd was over him not getting Floyd on P.P.V earlier in his career and Arum not Marketing Floyd Right...

And with Gatti Arum saw a prefect Opponent to jump start his P.P.V career....

The fight was clearly focus around
Gatti fighting Mayweather


Not mayweather fighting Gatti...


Because as we know Gatti never had P.P.V after that fight, and floyd went on to become the draw that he is..

[STEELHEAD]

fact: 3 years ago the up and comer kermit cintron after suffering a 9 month layoff from hand surgery had the balls to get in the ring against the feared veteran antonio margarito.

http://www.boxingvideosonline.com/2008/04/antonio-margarito-vs-kermit-cintron.html

fact:cintron suffered from an idiotic career move by his managementat at that time.
fact: things will be different second time around!!!

[Shalafi]

How long does it take you to write this **** bro? you must spend a full day coming up with all this Floyd bull****. You even take the time to use different sized fonts, colors, the whole nine yards. Talk about having a lot of time on your hands...

[STEELHEAD]

How long does it take you to write this **** bro? you must spend a full day coming up with all this Floyd bull****. You even take the time to use different sized fonts, colors, the whole nine yards. Talk about having a lot of time on your hands...

you talking to me?
im no boyfloyd fan!

[robertojr]

you talking to me?
im no boyfloyd fan!

Hes talking to Horus.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

That's why I said Present your Argument with Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight..
and looking back at the history of the fight..


and i make it Clear that Gatti wasnt the Focus of that Fight, because if he was he had plenty off oppurtunities to Headline a P.P.V but didnt..

Bob ARum whole conflict with Floyd was over him not getting Floyd on P.P.V earlier in his career and Arum not Marketing Floyd Right...

And with Gatti Arum saw a prefect Opponent to jump start his P.P.V career....

The fight was clearly focus around
Gatti fighting Mayweather


Not mayweather fighting Gatti...


Because as we know Gatti never had P.P.V after that fight, and floyd went on to become the draw that he is..

Well to be fair the thread title and first sentence in your original post clearly states "FACTS ONLY THREAD...!!! (NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arguments w/o FACTs, LEAVE..!". Nowhere in your original post does it say present your argument with facts and circumstances surrounding the fight.

Now if you want to go into circumstances, you would have to evaluate Mayweather and Gatti's numbers fighting on HBO also, not just PPV. Just because Gatti wasn't on PPV before the Mayweather fight doesn't mean he was not a draw. Do we have Nielsen numbers comparing Gatti's career on HBO as opposed to Mayweather, wouldn't that be a good indication of drawing power also?

[STEELHEAD]

Well to be fair the thread title and first sentence in your original post clearly states "FACTS ONLY THREAD...!!! (NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arguments w/o FACTs, LEAVE..!". Nowhere in your original post does it say present your argument with facts and circumstances surrounding the fight.

Now if you want to go into circumstances, you would have to evaluate Mayweather and Gatti's numbers fighting on HBO also, not just PPV. Just because Gatti wasn't on PPV before the Mayweather fight doesn't mean he was not a draw. Do we have Nielsen numbers comparing Gatti's career on HBO as opposed to Mayweather, wouldn't that be a good indication of drawing power also?

yes. all the way up to gattis last fight. i would guess gatti has bigger numbers.
wheres k-ball? he may know.

[Lazy Liberal]

This is the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the begining of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasnt even on P.P.V..!!


and that was The De la Hoya who was now a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys

You Mean to tell me Artro Gatti wasnt popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!

You mean to tell me that Wilfredo Rivera,Rafael Ruelas,Genaro Hernandez,Ike Quartey,Miguel Angel Gonzalez, all had enough drawing power to make their Fight with Oscar a P.P.V fight but Gatti Didnt...??

You dont see the problem, Gatti was and is, and alway been the Greatest Club Fighter of all time, but he didnt have the Appeal outside the club(New Jersey). He was not a P.P.V headline fighter before or After the Floyd Fight. For a Reason, it is because he is a New Jersey Local. Not saying he only fights in New Jersey, but his big fights are only in New Jersey. and the Only big fight he didnt have in New Jersey was against Oscar and you see he didnt have big draw in Vegas to even get the fight on P.P.V


So how was he the headliner for the Floyd Fight
When Floyd was more Accomplish, higher rank, and had been in bigger fights.


If you cant get on P.P.V in one of the 3 epic fights with Micky Ward, one in which was (Fight of the Year) then you should know what your drawing power really is.


He wasnt Even a big enough Draw to get P.P.V with the P.P.V King, but now he was the reason why the fight between Him vs. PBF was the success it was..?? WTF

Gatti never once proved before or after that he had the drawing power to pull in a P.P.V audience.. But when he fights Floyd "He was the P.P.V draw" - WTF

Gatti only draw come from the people in New Jersey who came to see him fight Floyd, everybody outside of New Jersey bought the Fight to see Floyd fight. Because they wanted to see him fight, but this time they had to pay.



The truth of the matter is that was both of their 1st P.P.V in which the focus was that Gatti was Fighting Mayweather..Not Mayweather fighting Gatti..

The fact of the matter is that Bob Arum knew that Gatti would be the perfect opponent for Floyd to showcase his skills to make him more Exciting Against a popular Club Fighter...On his First P.P.V to make people buy the Second P.P.V.....

and in FACT this is what HAPPEN..!!!

Floyd vs. Gatti =360,000 buys 1St P.P.V
Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys 2nd P.P.V

Gatti was Floyd's stepping Stone into P.P.V

just like Judah was Cotto stepping stone to P.P.V

people bought that fight

to see Gatti fight Mayweather....


Just like people bought the Cotto-Judah Fight
Too see Judah fight Cotto

thats the difference

if you dont argee then you must say that Judah was the draw in the
Judah vs. Cotto Fight..!!

and

Make a argument with facts that Gatti was the focus of the Mayweather fight..

Gatti did not fight Oscar in the BEGINNING of Oscars prime. They fought in 2001, Oscar prime peaked against Tinidad in 1999, FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you even read what people post. I already anwered your question about Gatti and the PPV. gatti fought Oscar in 2001, a yr before the famous gatti vss Ward fights. Gatti after those fights became mainstream. Floyd fought Gatti in 2005. Gatti was mainstream , in the same way tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing.


Anyone can use numbers and twist them to fit their agenda.


Bottom line is this: Osacr fought gatti 4yrs before floyd. Gatti became mainstream after the Ward fights. Gatti was the blood and guts warrior and connected with Joe Blow, so they tuned ib to watch the fight. It was Gatti who was the attraction, floyd was the anti hero. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lazy Liberal]

That's why I said Present your Argument with Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight..
and looking back at the history of the fight..


and i make it Clear that Gatti wasnt the Focus of that Fight, because if he was he had plenty off oppurtunities to Headline a P.P.V but didnt..

Bob ARum whole conflict with Floyd was over him not getting Floyd on P.P.V earlier in his career and Arum not Marketing Floyd Right...

And with Gatti Arum saw a prefect Opponent to jump start his P.P.V career....

The fight was clearly focus around
Gatti fighting Mayweather


Not mayweather fighting Gatti...
Because as we know Gatti never had P.P.V after that fight, and floyd went on to become the draw that he is..

Whoa, do you even know what you wrote. You said Arum found the perfect opponent to Jumpstart Floyd's career. Now why would he do that, would it be because gatti had mainstream appeal and could sell the fight?
Now, tell me Gatti wasn't the attraction, I want to see you try now.


The focus was gatti fighting Floyd- as written by HORUS

[BennyST]

This is a Fact Thread not a floyd thread...
I am in the process of adding another argument about
"Who has more Appeal Hatton or Pacquaio"

I have alot of Arguments to add in this Thread...



Dont worry Horus is coming..

Fact: you based your 'fact' post on Floyd, therefore it is about Floyd, therefore a Floyd thread.

Fact: That was the most boring post I've ever read anywhere, ever.

Question: Does anyone really need to read any more posts like these about Floyd?

Answer and fact: No.

Question: Why are Floyd fans so obsessed with his stats as a PPV fighter instead of him just fighting the best fighters?

Answer and fact: Because the majority of them are boring tools more interested with Floyd than his boxing or boxing in general.