FACTS ONLY THREAD(NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arugments w/o FACTs, DONT ENTER..!

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Fact: George Clooney was cut by the Cincinatti Reds back in the day. He also guest starred on "The Golden Girls". So did Don Cheadle.

[KESSLER]

You basing Opinions of a poll voted on by 32 people on a fight that was ordered by 360,000 People..???

your poll is not even remotely representative of the mass majority..!

That's why I said present your Arguments for debate based off of Facts...
I given mines where is theirs..


Is that what you doing..??

How do you even know those 32 people even ordered the fight..??
How do you even know those 32 dont have a bias..??



Like I said before

People who voted in your thread, are probably voting base off of Misconceptions that they have come to believe without even being introduce to the facts...

Thats why you dont see them in here supporting their Arguments with Facts,Numbers, or History..

Most of those people are just Passionately Uninformed...or have a inherent bias against Floyd..

How do you know who those people paid to see?

[Horus]

its actually 36 now and can you provide me with statistics, polls and surveys of those who attended the fight and watched it that FACTUALLY confirm what you are saying? what you are posting is merely speculation. You cant say something is fact without having official statistics or documentation.

also, if i were to make this poll on other boards and i get the same result, say 3-4 other boards, wouldnt that indicate a general pattern of consensus?

what you are posting is merely speculation.???

PROVE IT...


Proved

Gatti had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

Proved

Gatti who had 3 epic Fights with Mickey Ward (After Fighting Oscar) one in which was (Fight of the Year)

And one of them was on P.P.V..?

Proved

That This isnt the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the begining of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasnt even on P.P.V..!!


and that wasnt The De la Hoya who was then a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's


Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys


You Mean to tell me Artro Gatti wasnt popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!




Prove Me wrong in this thread 2501.

I based Everything in this thread off of Straight Facts and argument..

That's the point of this thread...

To provide Facts, with your Argument....

Unless you can Poll the majority of the people who ordered the fight...
You can only go by the Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight... to determine why people ordered the fight, and who the focus of the fight was....

And that's what I did. and I trying to get other people to do..!!

[Horus]

How do you know who those people paid to see?

That is what this whole Thread is about...
FACT THREAD


the Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight

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Here's a fact, YOUR A **** RIDER....

[2501]

what you are posting is merely speculation.???

PROVE IT...


Proved

Gatti had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

Proved

Gatti who had 3 epic Fights with Mickey Ward (After Fighting Oscar) one in which was (Fight of the Year)

And one of them was on P.P.V..?

Proved

That This isnt the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the begining of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasnt even on P.P.V..!!


and that was The De la Hoya who was then a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's


Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys


You Mean to tell me Artro Gatti wasnt popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!




Prove Me wrong in this thread 2501.

I based Everything in this thread off of Straight Facts and argument..

That's the point of this thread...

To provide Facts, with your Argument....

Unless you can Poll the majority of the people who ordered the fight...
You can only go by the Facts and circumstances surrounding the fact... to determine why people ordered the fight, and who the focus of the fight was....

And that's what I did. and I trying to get other people to do..!!

im asking you to prove how Floyd was the draw against Gatti. What stats are you looking at that definitively show that the majority of those who went to the fight went for Floyd and those that purchased the fight to support Floyd? The ONLY way you can make a conclusive statement and consider it "fact" is by providing this information.

other than that, you can only SPECULATE who the actual draw was and at this point of their careers, it is generally known that Gatti had more buzz and attention than Floyd at this point. Why would Floyd go fight in Gatti's backyard?

[Horus]

im asking you to prove how Floyd was the draw against Gatti. What stats are you looking at that definitively show that the majority of those who went to the fight went for Floyd and those that purchased the fight to support Floyd? The ONLY way you can make a conclusive statement and consider it "fact" is by providing this information.

other than that, you can only SPECULATE who the actual draw was and at this point of their careers, it is generally known that Gatti had more buzz and attention than Floyd at this point. Why would Floyd go fight in Gatti's backyard?

READ THE THREAD....
That's what I am proving to you...
Thats what My arguments are about...

Just Read the Thread with a Open Mind...
Read the Thread


Why would Floyd go fight in Gatti's backyard?

Because Gatti was putting up his title...
and Gatti probably wouldnt havent taken the fight any other way except in New Jersey..Look at All gatti big fights beside Oscar...Where were they at..??



Just Read my thread...
I address those Issues...



I am asking you to prove how was Gatti the P.P.V draw....if you think he was the P.P.V draw and focus of that fight...

With Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight..
and looking back at the history of the fight..

[Horus]

Calzaghe dosen't lose, that's not his style....Calzaghe will outbox and outwork that ugly racist Hopkins....Hopkins' only hope is to get a controversial gift decision from the American judges, but that won't happen because Calzaghe is gonna beat him clearly and it will be obvious who the winner is at the end of the fight.

Do you wanna pay me now or after the fight??

I hope you understand when he do Lose that you will pay me 60k not 30k

[Horus]

The point of the Thread was to get people to actually proved with they think with Solid Arguments based off of Facts, and not just Hear Say...

And this post is proving what i have come to believe , Most Posters on Here based thier HATE off of Misconceptions that they have come to believe without even being introduce to the facts...

Because they rather Believe a Pretty Lie

Than the Ugly Truth..

Once again I am being proved Right..!!

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

FACTS ONLY THREAD...!!! (NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arugments w/o FACTs, LEAVE..!

Present a Argument with Facts which you have argued but never gotten a Fact Based Answer...

I have thousands of Arguments I can make with Facts supporting them, but I will start this Thread off with this Argument.and you guys can proved me wrong with your own facts, and Argument..!


Here Is My First FACT Argument:

Let's Clear Some Misconceptions up About Floyd that have seem to gotten some Life:

1. Some People say Floyd Opponents are Selling these P.P.V...? (Myth)

Facts:

Every Floyd P.P.V Opponent except Oscar Had never been in P.P.V fight before in the U.S, before they fought Floyd..!

So if they have never Headline a P.P.V fight in the united states before they Fought Mayweather how are they the draw...?? Where is the Evidence...??

If they were the Draw coming into the fight would that draw status gotten them into Headling a P.P.V on their Own..?

Let's take the Gatti Fight For Example:

1. Gatti = Never had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

This is the same Gatti who had 3 epic Fights with Mickey Ward (After Fighting Oscar) one in which was (Fight of the Year)

And Not one of them was on P.P.V


This is the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the begining of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasnt even on P.P.V..!!


and that was The De la Hoya who was now a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys

You Mean to tell me Artro Gatti wasnt popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!

You mean to tell me that Wilfredo Rivera,Rafael Ruelas,Genaro Hernandez,Ike Quartey,Miguel Angel Gonzalez, all had enough drawing power to make their Fight with Oscar a P.P.V fight but Gatti Didnt...??

You dont see the problem, Gatti was and is, and alway been the Greatest Club Fighter of all time, but he didnt have the Appeal outside the club(New Jersey). He was not a P.P.V headline fighter before or After the Floyd Fight. For a Reason, it is because he is a New Jersey Local. Not saying he only fights in New Jersey, but his big fights are only in New Jersey. and the Only big fight he didnt have in New Jersey was against Oscar and you see he didnt have big draw in Vegas to even get the fight on P.P.V


So how was he the headliner for the Floyd Fight
When Floyd was more Accomplish, higher rank, and had been in bigger fights.


If you cant get on P.P.V in one of the 3 epic fights with Micky Ward, one in which was (Fight of the Year) then you should know what your drawing power really is.


He wasnt Even a big enough Draw to get P.P.V with the P.P.V King, but now he was the reason why the fight between Him vs. PBF was the success it was..?? WTF

Gatti never once proved before or after that he had the drawing power to pull in a P.P.V audience.. But when he fights Floyd "He was the P.P.V draw" - WTF

Gatti only draw come from the people in New Jersey who came to see him fight Floyd, everybody outside of New Jersey bought the Fight to see Floyd fight. Because they wanted to see him fight, but this time they had to pay.


The truth of the matter is that was both of their 1st P.P.V in which the focus was that Gatti was Fighting Mayweather..Not Mayweather fighting Gatti..

The fact of the matter is that Bob Arum knew that Gatti would be the perfect opponent for Floyd to showcase his skills to make him more Exciting Against a popular Club Fighter...On his First P.P.V to make people buy the Second P.P.V.....

and in FACT this is what HAPPEN..!!!

Floyd vs. Gatti =360,000 buys 1St P.P.V
Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys 2nd P.P.V

Gatti was Floyd's stepping Stone into P.P.V

just like Judah was Cotto stepping stone to P.P.V

people bought that fight

to see Gatti fight Mayweather....


Just like people bought the Cotto-Judah Fight
Too see Judah fight Cotto

thats the difference

if you dont argee then you must say that Judah was the draw in the
Judah vs. Cotto Fight..!!

and

Make a argument with facts that Gatti was the focus of the Mayweather fight..

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE YOU POST OR DONT POST AT ALL AND LEAVE THE THREAD....

READ THE THREAD....
That's what I am proving to you...
Thats what My arguments are about...

Just Read the Thread with a Open Mind...
Read the Thread


Why would Floyd go fight in Gatti's backyard?

Because Gatti was putting up his title...
and Gatti probably wouldnt havent taken the fight any other way except in New Jersey..Look at All gatti big fights beside Oscar...Where were they at..??



Just Read my thread...
I address those Issues...



I am asking you to prove how was Gatti the P.P.V draw....if you think he was the P.P.V draw and focus of that fight...

With Facts and circumstances surrounding the fight..
and looking back at the history of the fight..

Well I think the point 2501 is trying to make is no one can prove who was the draw for Mayweather/Gatti unless you polled everyone who ordered and watch the fight. You can speculate and take an educated guess, but in the end it's just a guess, not fact.