FACTS ONLY THREAD(NO FACTS NO CHAT) If u only have Arugments w/o FACTs, DONT ENTER..!

[P4PKING_2008]

Judah was robbed against Baldomir FACT!!!

[deevel79]

Judah was robbed against Baldomir FACT!!!

Baldomir put Judah on ***** street! FACT!


This coming from a Judah fan myself.

[Horus]

Horus Answer BennyST

1st: If you read my thread instead coming in here with preconceive notions about me or Floyd you would understand.

My argument is based on Argument and Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight... NOT JUST FACTS... So that Put's a hole in your argument right there.... But let's continue

BennyST: Says cant look at Facts to determine things...


OK if you take that Stance that Cool, but don't take that Stance and try to use facts to prove an Argument....

You go into a whole argument about how i am only focus on the facts, but then half of your argument is focus on using Facts to prove your point..

So what is your whole point..??

I shouldn't used facts to prove a point about Mayweather, but you can used facts to used against mayweather. .

You and the rest of the people who think like you, have to come and accept the reality that whatever Some Misconceptions that you have come to believe about Floyd are nothing but Misconceptions,

I showed the facts and and instead if accepting those facts or

even presenting facts of your own to proved my argument inaccurate.


you essentially say that "Facts don't matter"..

but wait, then you show me facts to attempt to proved a reality you believe is truth when you think Mayweather lost to Castillo.

If the facts don't matter, then shouldn't they completely not matter.
Don't you think..??


So in essence Facts Shouldn't Matter when they Benefit Floyd, But Facts Should Matter when they go against Floyd..

This is a Circle that i always talk about:

Whatever Applies to mayweather doesn't apply to everybody else..and whatever applies to everybody else doesn't apply to Mayweather.

That's how it works With the Floyd Haters, they will always find a way to Hate...That's just how it is...No kind of Logic or Facts or Argument is going to change this Circle of Hate...

And this dude Post Proved my Point...

The facts Shouldn't Apply to Mayweather

The Facts Should Apply for Castillo...


So what can i call this point of view you have........., Contradiction, hypocrisy. or just Hate..




It's Time to get a new perspective...

and by the way if my post are so boring, why even reply, when even read, how about this



If you dont like what I am saying DONT come into any of my threads or reply to any of my post.

If you see a Thread by HORUS pass it up

and

If you see any Post by Horus ignore it...



How about you do that...!!

[Horus]

Gatti did not fight Oscar in the BEGINNING of Oscars prime. They fought in 2001, Oscar prime peaked against Trinidad in 1999, FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you even read what people post. I already answered your question about Gatti and the PPV. gatti fought Oscar in 2001, a yr before the famous gatti vss Ward fights. Gatti after those fights became mainstream. Floyd fought Gatti in 2005. Gatti was mainstream , in the same way Tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing.

Gatti was mainstream , in the same way Tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing

I can see that you are Serious....
But where is the proof to prove this belief because All this is a Assumption base of where ever you get your Boxing information...

Here is my Argument based on Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight..

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Repost:

1. Gatti = Never had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

This is the same Gatti who had 3 epic Fights with Mickey Ward (After Fighting Oscar) one in which was (Fight of the Year)

And Not one of them was on P.P.V


This is the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the beginning of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasn't even on P.P.V..!!


and that was The De la Hoya who was now a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys

You Mean to tell me Arturo Gatti wasn't popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!

You mean to tell me that Wilfredo Rivera,Rafael Ruelas,Genaro Hernandez,Ike Quartey,Miguel Angel Gonzalez, all had enough drawing power to make their Fight with Oscar a P.P.V fight but Gatti Didnt...??

You don't see the problem, Gatti was and is, and alway been the Greatest Club Fighter of all time, but he didn't have the Appeal outside the club(New Jersey). He was not a P.P.V headline fighter before or After the Floyd Fight. For a Reason, it is because he is a New Jersey Local. Not saying he only fights in New Jersey, but his big fights are only in New Jersey. and the Only big fight he didn't have in New Jersey was against Oscar and you see he didn't have big draw in Vegas to even get the fight on P.P.V


So how was he the headliner for the Floyd Fight
When Floyd was more Accomplish, higher rank, and had been in bigger fights.


If you cant get on P.P.V in one of the 3 epic fights with Micky Ward, one in which was (Fight of the Year) then you should know what your drawing power really is.


He wasn't Even a big enough Draw to get P.P.V with the P.P.V King, but now he was the reason why the fight between Him vs. PBF was the success it was..?? WTF

Gatti never once proved before or after that he had the drawing power to pull in a P.P.V audience.. But when he fights Floyd "He was the P.P.V draw" - WTF

Gatti only draw come from the people in New Jersey who came to see him fight Floyd, everybody outside of New Jersey bought the Fight to see Floyd fight. Because they wanted to see him fight, but this time they had to pay.


The truth of the matter is that was both of their 1st P.P.V in which the focus was that Gatti was Fighting Mayweather..Not Mayweather fighting Gatti..

The fact of the matter is that Bob Arum knew that Gatti would be the perfect opponent for Floyd to showcase his skills to make him more Exciting Against a popular Club Fighter...On his First P.P.V to make people buy the Second P.P.V.....

and in FACT this is what HAPPEN..!!!

Floyd vs. Gatti =360,000 buys 1St P.P.V
Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys 2nd P.P.V

Gatti was Floyd's stepping Stone into P.P.V

just like Judah was Cotto stepping stone to P.P.V

people bought that fight

to see Gatti fight Mayweather....


Just like people bought the Cotto-Judah Fight
Too see Judah fight Cotto

thats the difference

if you dont agree then you must say that Judah was the draw in the
Judah vs. Cotto Fight..!!

and

Make a argument with facts that Gatti was the focus of the Mayweather fight..

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Now Where is your argument is based on Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight...



Because you sound ****** as hell saying that

Gatti was mainstream , in the same way Tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing

Oscar = #1 Pay Per View Seller of All Time
Tyson = #2 Pay Per View Seller of All Time

1. Oscar De La Hoya - $610.6 million on 12.6 million buys (18 events)

2. Mike Tyson - $545 million on 12.4 million buys (12 events)




Gatti had 1 pay per view that did 360,000 with Floyd Mayweather..
and that was his only P.P.V.


So how do you come to the conclusion that Gatti is popular or is as mainstream as Oscar and Tyson.. If he cant even get on P.P.V..???


Please explain this to me,
Because Everyone Knows since P.P.V Started..That P.P.V is the real indicator of A boxers Success and Appeal... Because you to have the REAL appeal to make ...People spend anywhere from $39-60 dollars to see you fight..

That the indicator if you have reach Mainstream success.
and Gatti only proved one time to have appeal to reach a P.P.V audience.

and that's when he fought Mayweather...

1. Gatti = Never had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

[Lazy Liberal]

Gatti was mainstream , in the same way Tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing

I can see that you are Serious....
But where is the proof to prove this belief because All this is a Assumption base of where ever you get your Boxing information...

Here is my Argument based on Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight..

__________________________________________________ ________________
Repost:

1. Gatti = Never had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

This is the same Gatti who had 3 epic Fights with Mickey Ward (After Fighting Oscar) one in which was (Fight of the Year)

And Not one of them was on P.P.V


This is the same Gatti that Fought De la Hoya(In the beginning of Oscar's Prime). In A fight which wasn't even on P.P.V..!!


and that was The De la Hoya who was now a P.P.V star. that just came off a P.P.V's

Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys
Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys
Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys
Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys
Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys
Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys
Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys
Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys

You Mean to tell me Arturo Gatti wasn't popular enough to even get a P.P.V with the Most Popular Fighter in boxing ( Oscar De la Hoya)..??
after Oscar have became the face of boxing...!!

You mean to tell me that Wilfredo Rivera,Rafael Ruelas,Genaro Hernandez,Ike Quartey,Miguel Angel Gonzalez, all had enough drawing power to make their Fight with Oscar a P.P.V fight but Gatti Didnt...??

You don't see the problem, Gatti was and is, and alway been the Greatest Club Fighter of all time, but he didn't have the Appeal outside the club(New Jersey). He was not a P.P.V headline fighter before or After the Floyd Fight. For a Reason, it is because he is a New Jersey Local. Not saying he only fights in New Jersey, but his big fights are only in New Jersey. and the Only big fight he didn't have in New Jersey was against Oscar and you see he didn't have big draw in Vegas to even get the fight on P.P.V


So how was he the headliner for the Floyd Fight
When Floyd was more Accomplish, higher rank, and had been in bigger fights.


If you cant get on P.P.V in one of the 3 epic fights with Micky Ward, one in which was (Fight of the Year) then you should know what your drawing power really is.


He wasn't Even a big enough Draw to get P.P.V with the P.P.V King, but now he was the reason why the fight between Him vs. PBF was the success it was..?? WTF

Gatti never once proved before or after that he had the drawing power to pull in a P.P.V audience.. But when he fights Floyd "He was the P.P.V draw" - WTF

Gatti only draw come from the people in New Jersey who came to see him fight Floyd, everybody outside of New Jersey bought the Fight to see Floyd fight. Because they wanted to see him fight, but this time they had to pay.


The truth of the matter is that was both of their 1st P.P.V in which the focus was that Gatti was Fighting Mayweather..Not Mayweather fighting Gatti..

The fact of the matter is that Bob Arum knew that Gatti would be the perfect opponent for Floyd to showcase his skills to make him more Exciting Against a popular Club Fighter...On his First P.P.V to make people buy the Second P.P.V.....

and in FACT this is what HAPPEN..!!!

Floyd vs. Gatti =360,000 buys 1St P.P.V
Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys 2nd P.P.V

Gatti was Floyd's stepping Stone into P.P.V

just like Judah was Cotto stepping stone to P.P.V

people bought that fight

to see Gatti fight Mayweather....


Just like people bought the Cotto-Judah Fight
Too see Judah fight Cotto

thats the difference

if you dont agree then you must say that Judah was the draw in the
Judah vs. Cotto Fight..!!

and

Make a argument with facts that Gatti was the focus of the Mayweather fight..

__________________________________________________ ___



Now Where is your argument is based on Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight...



Because you sound ****** as hell saying that

Gatti was mainstream , in the same way Tyson and Oscar were mainstream. He was a known fighter, even by those who knew nothing about boxing

Oscar = #1 Pay Per View Seller of All Time
Tyson = #2 Pay Per View Seller of All Time

1. Oscar De La Hoya - $610.6 million on 12.6 million buys (18 events)

2. Mike Tyson - $545 million on 12.4 million buys (12 events)




Gatti had 1 pay per view that did 360,000 with Floyd Mayweather..
and that was his only P.P.V.


So how do you come to the conclusion that Gatti is popular or is as mainstream as Oscar and Tyson.. If he cant even get on P.P.V..???


Please explain this to me,
Because Everyone Knows since P.P.V Started..That P.P.V is the real indicator of A boxers Success and Appeal... Because you to have the REAL appeal to make ...People spend anywhere from $39-60 dollars to see you fight..

That the indicator if you have reach Mainstream success.
and Gatti only proved one time to have appeal to reach a P.P.V audience.

and that's when he fought Mayweather...

1. Gatti = Never had a P.P.V before or After Mayweather

Yeah, you are right, I'm pretty ******. I was dropped by my mom when I was a child.


What part of gatti being the reason for the success of the pPV don't you get. ? He was mainstream. Here in the west coast, far away from Jersey, people know who gatti was. Cousins ,friends and co-workers knew the NAME GATTI, not Floyd. Floyd was a hardcore boxing fan name, not a mainstream name.


Once again, Gatti vs Ward revived gatti's career. It was those fights that brough attention and fame , more than any wins against Patterson or Rodriguez ever did. He was the blue collar hero, a guy that was relateable, Floyd was the villain and **** talker. Floyd was the guy you love to hate, he was brash and flashy.

As to why he had no other PPV, its pretty obvious. Peolple thought he had a chance and hoped that the fight would be GATTI vs WARD part 4! Obviously, its was the worst mismatch in PPV history as was mentioned by Max Kellerman.


End of Story!!!!!!!!FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Horus]

Yeah, you are right, I'm pretty ******. I was dropped by my mom when I was a child.


What part of gatti being the reason for the success of the pPV don't you get. ? He was mainstream. Here in the west coast, far away from Jersey, people know who gatti was. Cousins ,friends and co-workers knew the NAME GATTI, not Floyd. Floyd was a hardcore boxing fan name, not a mainstream name.


Once again, Gatti vs Ward revived gatti's career. It was those fights that brought attention and fame , more than any wins against Patterson or Rodriguez ever did. He was the blue collar hero, a guy that was relate able, Floyd was the villain and **** talker. Floyd was the guy you love to hate, he was brash and flashy.

As to why he had no other PPV, its pretty obvious. People thought he had a chance and hoped that the fight would be GATTI vs WARD part 4! Obviously, its was the worst mismatch in PPV history as was mentioned by Max Kellerman.


End of Story!!!!!!!!FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DavidValenzuela...

Where is your proof...??

Show me the indicator in which gatti proved he was on the level of Oscar and Tyson like you Say..??

He had 3 fights with Ward..?

If the public was so in loved with Gatti like they were with Oscar And Tyson..
why weren't these fights on P.P.V..???

Where is the Evidence supporting your claims, all i want is evidence...
'
You are just giving a argument without no evidence to prove your Argument...
Where is your Evidence..??


If u only have Arguments w/o Facts, DONT ENTER..!



Do you not understand what I am telling you...!!!



You can argue all you want, but until you produce some evidence to support your claims...You are basing your arguments off a misconception that is not support with facts...


Support your ArgueMENT with some evidence PLEASE...!!!

That gatti was the reason and the focus of the P.P.V match.!!!


I will not respond to you anymore untill you do so...

[BennyST]

DAMN!

Talk about a KO PUNCH SON!

He made it up by ten and is countering me with his vicious RED K punch!!!

Ahhh, good times on the NSB board.

[BennyST]

Horus Answer BennyST

1st: If you read my thread instead coming in here with preconceive notions about me or Floyd you would understand.

My argument is based on Argument and Facts and Circumstances surrounding the the facts about the history of the fight... NOT JUST FACTS... So that Put's a hole in your argument right there.... But let's continue

BennyST: Says cant look at Facts to determine things...


OK if you take that Stance that Cool, but don't take that Stance and try to use facts to prove an Argument....

You go into a whole argument about how i am only focus on the facts, but then half of your argument is focus on using Facts to prove your point..

So what is your whole point..??

I shouldn't used facts to prove a point about Mayweather, but you can used facts to used against mayweather.

You and the rest of the people who think like you, have to come and accept the reality that whatever Some Misconceptions that you have come to believe about Floyd are nothing but Misconceptions,

I showed the facts and and instead if accepting those facts or

even presenting facts of your own to proved my argument inaccurate.


you essentially say that "Facts don't matter"..

but wait, then you show me facts to attempt to proved a reality you believe is truth when you think Mayweather lost to Castillo.

If the facts don't matter, then shouldn't they completely not matter.
Don't you think..??


So in essence Facts Shouldn't Matter when they Benefit Floyd, But Facts Should Matter when they go against Floyd..

This is a Circle that i always talk about:

Whatever Applies to mayweather doesn't apply to everybody else..and whatever applies to everybody else doesn't apply to Mayweather.

That's how it works With the Floyd Haters, they will always find a way to Hate...That's just how it is...No kind of Logic or Facts or Argument is going to change this Circle of Hate...

And this dude Post Proved my Point...

The facts Shouldn't Apply to Mayweather

The Facts Should Apply for Castillo...


So what can i call this point of view you have........., Contradiction, hypocrisy. or just Hate..



It's Time to get a new perspective...

and by the way if my post are so boring, why even reply, when even read, how about this



If you dont like what I am saying DONT come into any of my threads or reply to any of my post.

If you see a Thread by HORUS pass it up

and

If you see any Post by Horus ignore it...



How about you do that...!!

No need to cry over it mate. No one really cares anyway. Also, unless you can start typing legible posts I, and I imagine no one else, will read them.

Time to move on bucko, and relax on the red K. It's weak.

PS: just to clear up a bit of confusion, as you seem to be struggling to grasp the simple concept that goes with my post. Facts are good and cannot be disregarded, but, they don't always show the full story, can be misinterpreted and you shouldn't rely on them to tell the whole story all the time. Ya dig? Good.

[Horus]

The point of the Thread was to get people to actually proved with they think with Solid Arguments based off of Facts, and not just Hear Say...

And this post is proving what i have come to believe , Most Posters on Here based thier HATE off of Misconceptions that they have come to believe without even being introduce to the facts...

Because they rather Believe a Pretty Lie

Than the Ugly Truth..

Once again I am being proved Right..!!

[THE REED]

I have a few facts for you. My **** is 9 inches long and you are an idiot.

LMFAO


ive been looking for this response for like 6 weeks now... i remember seeing it, but could never remember what thread it was in... LMAO

no disrespect to u horus, i got no problem with u.... but i just found this reply