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    A good article regarding Mayweather's persona

    Mayweatherr’s crossover is money

    By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports



    Floyd Mayweather Jr. and advisor Leonard Ellerbe were strolling through a Smith’s Food & Drug grocery store in Las Vegas not long ago. As they were pushing their shopping cart and minding their own business, the well-to-do young African-American men were interrupted by a pair of decidedly middle-class elderly white women.

    The women giggled as they asked Mayweather if he would mind posing for a photograph with them.

    “We love you on ‘Dancing with the Stars,’ ” Ellerbe recalls one of the women saying to Mayweather.

    As they walked away, a wide grin creased Mayweather’s face. He turned to Ellerbe, his best friend and de facto manager, and shook his head.

    “Leonard, now I know I’ve crossed over,” Mayweather said.

    He’s arguably the biggest attraction in combat sports. He is part of the best-selling bout in boxing history and his appearance at WrestleMania 24 on Sunday in Orlando, Fla., was such a hit, Ellerbe says, that the wrestling pay-per-view record of 1.25 million is expected to be topped.

    In the past year, Mayweather had a prominent role on a hit television series. He was part of a boxing match that sold the unheard-of number of 2.4 million pay-per-view subscriptions. He followed that with sales of 900,000 for his bout with Ricky Hatton, a man who was making his pay-per-view debut in the U.S. and whose American television ratings had been tepid, at best.

    Mark Taffet, HBO’s senior vice president of sports operations and pay-per-view, said Mayweather has created a strong urban pay-per-view market. In only five pay-per-view bouts in his career, Mayweather already ranks fifth all-time with 4.3 million subscriptions sold and soon will overtake former heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis for fourth place.


    He appeared on the “Today Show” and “Larry King Live.” He participated in the NBA All-Star weekend activities. He became fast friends with Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, one of the country’s richest men. He’ll be featured in an upcoming spread in “GQ” magazine.

    He fulfilled everything – and more – that promoter Bob Arum thought he could be upon signing him to a promotional contract following the 1996 Olympics.

    Except, Mayweather did everything he could to make things difficult for Arum. He bitterly resented Arum’s attempts to cast him in the mold as the next Sugar Ray Leonard or Oscar De La Hoya

    By 1996, Arum had built a deserved reputation as the best promoter to develop a young prospect not only into a champion, but also into a superstar. The advice he was giving Mayweather was textbook.

    Even Mayweather’s lawyer, John Hornewer, concedes Arum was providing the correct advice: Be congenial, be accessible and let the public marvel at your prodigious talents.

    “(Ellerbe) was very insistent, based upon Floyd’s direction, that the way to market Floyd was to the urban crowd, to the hip-hop market,” Hornewer said. “Leonard was very insistent that that was not only the way they should go, but that it was the way they would go. Bob and (Top Rank president) Todd (duBoef) had worked with Floyd the way they had worked with Oscar, but that mold wasn’t working.

    Historically, the African-American market hadn’t responded to pay-per-view. Bob understood this based on many, many years in the industry. It wasn’t a market that was untapped, it was a market that didn’t exist. They were telling Floyd, ‘Look, we’ve accrued this data over the years and you can see it for yourself.’ But Floyd wouldn’t have it.”

    He spent many years feuding with Arum, in essence submarining promotions because he wouldn’t cooperate. Arum took the approach with Mayweather of fishing where the fish are, but Mayweather was surly and unapproachable to all but a few.

    By the time Mayweather turned pro, data was proving conclusively that boxing was becoming more and more a Hispanic-supported and driven business.



    And, a decade earlier, Mayweather’s uncle, Roger, had earned the nickname, “The Mexican Assassin,” for beating a series of Mexican stars. There was much money to be made for Mayweather in beating up the Mexican icons.

    But Mayweather, who is now the No. 1 ranked fighter in the Yahoo! Sports monthly poll, always believed in his own greatness and rebelled at the thought of being the next Ray Leonard.

    “Floyd never wanted to be the next Sugar Ray, he always wanted to be the first Floyd Mayweather,” Ellerbe said
    . “He wanted to make his own way, not do what somebody else had done. Instead of him saying, ‘Hey, I want to be like Sugar Ray Leonard,’ Floyd was saying, ‘When I’m done, I want kids to dream to be the next Floyd Mayweather.’ “

    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who appeared on “Dancing with the Stars with Mayweather,” lavished praised upon him for his willingness to be a showman.

    “Things that many others don’t have the intellect or nerve to do, Floyd is out front doing,” Cuban said. “He has no fear. Add to that he knows how to put on a show going into the ring and gets the job done in the ring and he has become a very, very marketable athlete.”

    Mayweather parted ways with Top Rank after a successful pay-per-view bout with Zab Judah on April 8, 2006. By that point, Ellerbe had long been planting seeds in the hip-hop community that were beginning to germinate.

    The pay-per-view bout against Judah did surprisingly well, drawing nearly 400,000 buys. That was a good number for any boxing match, but extraordinary for a bout featuring a star in just his second pay-per-view match against an unpopular fighter coming off a desultory loss.

    Mayweather had long since proven himself a genius in the ring, but the results of the Judah bout at the box office were proof of the genius of his promotional instincts.

    “Floyd is great at playing a role, as he proved in WrestleMania, but when he was being asked to play the role of Oscar or Sugar Ray Leonard, it simply wasn’t within him,” Hornewer said. “This hip-hop role, that is what his essence is. It’s a role he embraces and plays well. If you take his essence and put it forward, you find a whole new marketplace to embrace.

    “And the funny thing is, Floyd was saying this all along. His vision for how he should have been marketed turns out to be correct.’

    DuBoef, though, doesn’t accept the idea that Mayweather’s model won out over Top Rank’s model. He said Top Rank never rejected the idea of marketing Mayweather to an urban crowd, but simply urged him to broaden his appeal.

    He said he didn’t understand why it was wrong to want to make Mayweather appeal to all demographics.

    “I’ve always bought the idea that if Floyd felt he should have been pushed to the hip-hop crowd, we should go to the hip-hop crowd,” duBoef said. “My only thing was, don’t limit yourself to just that crowd. Go for all demos. Appeal to the old crowd, the Hispanic crowd, the rich crowd, all of them, not just one.”

    Mayweather’s base is clearly expanding, just as he predicted many years ago it would. He’s a star of the biggest proportions in the hip-hop world, but his appearance on “Dancing with the Stars” and his performance at WrestleMania have helped put him in front of an audience that would have never paid attention before.

    Now, they will.

    And not all for the same reasons.

    “Floyd doesn’t need 100 percent of the fan base to love him and he’s never cared about that,” Ellerbe said. “If they do, great. But he knows he has a large and growing base of people who love him and support him to the end. There’s another good-sized group out there who buy his fights who can’t stand him and pay in the hopes of seeing him lose. We’re fine with that, because at the end of the day, they’ve put their money down and they’re paying customers.

    Come to see him win, or come to see him lose. We don’t care. Just come to see him .”

    The WWE isn’t expected to release pay-per-view results until next week, though Ellerbe said he was told the show has already done better than the previous record of 1.25 million sales.

    That, combined with the 2.4 million sales he did for his fight last May with De La Hoya and the 900,000 he did for his Dec. 10 fight with Hatton mean he’s averaged at least 1.5 million buys in his last three pay-per-view outings.

    Put that into perspective: There have been only five boxing matches in history – Mayweather-De La Hoya in 2007, Lennox Lewis-Mike Tyson in 2002, Evander Holyfield-Tyson I and II in 1996 and 1997 and Tyson-Peter McNeeley in 1995 – that have ever sold 1.5 million or more on pay-per-view.

    And yet, Mayweather is averaging that amount in his last three pay-per-view outings.

    “If you followed boxing, who would have thought this four or five years ago?” Hornewer said. “But Floyd had that vision and that belief in himself and he never deviated. This is truly an amazing story.”
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    Good looking on this man. I think this just proves the arrogance of the Top Rank brass that they won't admit that Floyd turned out to be right.

    Also, take into account the fact that Mayweather-DLH 2 and Mayweather-Hatton 2 figure to do well over 1 mil buys and you have to think Mayweather-Cotto, which probably wouldn't crack 750,000 right now would definately be in the ballpark of the Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson numbers by late 2009.

    I'd rather they fight now, or especially immediately after Mayweather-DLH 2, but if it becomes as big an event as DLH-Mayweather 1 then you can only admit that it was better that we waited. Obviously, IF is the key word.

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      They shouldve asked that old lady if she purchased Floyd's ppv fight against Hatton, due to being on DWTS's.

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        Originally posted by javelin_fangs
        Good looking on this man. I think this just proves the arrogance of the Top Rank brass that they won't admit that Floyd turned out to be right.

        Also, take into account the fact that Mayweather-DLH 2 and Mayweather-Hatton 2 figure to do well over 1 mil buys and you have to think Mayweather-Cotto, which probably wouldn't crack 750,000 right now would definately be in the ballpark of the Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson numbers by late 2009.

        I'd rather they fight now, or especially immediately after Mayweather-DLH 2, but if it becomes as big an event as DLH-Mayweather 1 then you can only admit that it was better that we waited. Obviously, IF is the key word.
        Why would us fans prefer that Floyd procrastinated in making this fight happen, so that it becomes bigger if they waited till late 09 to make the fight? The only people that it would benefit is Floyd and Cotto. How do us fans benefit off of waiting a whole year to see this fight? The bigger it becomes, the more money THEY make. Not us.

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          Originally posted by deevel79
          Why would us fans prefer that Floyd procrastinated in making this fight happen, so that it becomes bigger if they waited till late 09 to make the fight? The only people that it would benefit is Floyd and Cotto. How do us fans benefit off of waiting a whole year to see this fight? The bigger it becomes, the more money THEY make. Not us.
          First of all, why are you acting like I said they SHOULD!?! Did you read my fu(kin' post or did you, in a knee jerk reaction, see that I said the event would be bigger if they wait and decide that you were going to rip into my post? The answer is the later.

          I said, I want to see Mayweather-Cotto now. I said, if it's not going to happen now, I especially want to see it immediately after Mayweather-DLH 2.

          There's a dude at my job who INSISTS that he wouldn't fight DLH for $30 mil if he was Mayweather because, "money isn't everything." He insists that he wouldn't fight Ricky Hatton again for $20-30 mil because, "money isn't everything." He insists that he'd fight Miguel Cotto for $10 mil because, "It's the right thing to do and when you have that much money what's the difference between $10 mil and $30 mil?"

          While I agree, in principle. Please note that I said in principle, you have to be rational when considering these things. Does it do you any good to get worked up about Floyd Mayweather taking two fights that potentially total $60 mil and then going after Cotto for what will THEN amount to probably 3 or 4 times what it amounts to NOW?

          At the end of the day, I want to see Mayweather-Cotto as we all do. But if it happens a year or 18 months from now or it happens 3 months from now it's not going to change the actual fight to me. It's the fight I want to see and I have no doubts that it will happen.

          Maybe you're mad because you believe Bob Arum and think that it won't happen. I don't know...But I believe in my heart of hearts that it will happen. So, I don't care that Floyd is going to rack up marketability points and get his money. I'm just proud that he did it his way and continues to do it his way. Bob Arum never stepped in the ring. Why should he have his way? The only guy I feel bad for is Cotto.

          But Cotto is going to make some easy paydays after a tough late 2006-late 2007. 2008 will be an easier year for him and that's good for him. He definitely earned it. Hopefully, he gets a DLH fight in early 2009 wins it and then Mayweather-Cotto in the fall of 2009. That's going to be the true "World Awaits" fight. I bet every dude on this board is going to have 50-100 people in their living room for that fight. If it were to happen this summer it'd just be a few of your boys and your girl.

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            Originally posted by deevel79
            Why would us fans prefer that Floyd procrastinated in making this fight happen, so that it becomes bigger if they waited till late 09 to make the fight? The only people that it would benefit is Floyd and Cotto. How do us fans benefit off of waiting a whole year to see this fight? The bigger it becomes, the more money THEY make. Not us.
            You're right. But part of being a resonable boxing fan is taking into account the business side of boxing and not ignore it as if isn't a factor.

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              Originally posted by javelin_fangs
              There's a dude at my job who INSISTS that he wouldn't fight DLH for $30 mil if he was Mayweather because, "money isn't everything." He insists that he wouldn't fight Ricky Hatton again for $20-30 mil because, "money isn't everything." He insists that he'd fight Miguel Cotto for $10 mil because, "It's the right thing to do and when you have that much money what's the difference between $10 mil and $30 mil?"

              While I agree, in principle. Please note that I said in principle, you have to be rational when considering these things. Does it do you any good to get worked up about Floyd Mayweather taking two fights that potentially total $60 mil and then going after Cotto for what will THEN amount to probably 3 or 4 times what it amounts to NOW?

              At the end of the day, I want to see Mayweather-Cotto as we all do. But if it happens a year or 18 months from now or it happens 3 months from now it's not going to change the actual fight to me. It's the fight I want to see and I have no doubts that it will happen.

              .

              Great post. Specially the above that I quoted.

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                Originally posted by deevel79
                They shouldve asked that old lady if she purchased Floyd's ppv fight against Hatton, due to being on DWTS's.
                My mom certainly didnt...

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                  Originally posted by javelin_fangs
                  Good looking on this man. I think this just proves the arrogance of the Top Rank brass that they won't admit that Floyd turned out to be right.

                  Also, take into account the fact that Mayweather-DLH 2 and Mayweather-Hatton 2 figure to do well over 1 mil buys and you have to think Mayweather-Cotto, which probably wouldn't crack 750,000 right now would definately be in the ballpark of the Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson numbers by late 2009.

                  I'd rather they fight now, or especially immediately after Mayweather-DLH 2, but if it becomes as big an event as DLH-Mayweather 1 then you can only admit that it was better that we waited. Obviously, IF is the key word.

                  The above bold is what i was replying to. I recognized that u also stated that you prefer they fight right now or immediately after Floyd/Oscar II, but i just dont see the logic (from a fans's perspective) in waiting till sometime next year, just so the fight can be bigger. I just dont see how that scenario would be better for us fans if we, or should i say "they" waited till then.

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                    Originally posted by deevel79
                    The above bold is what i was replying to. I recognized that u also stated that you prefer they fight right now or immediately after Floyd/Oscar II, but i just dont see the logic (from a fans's perspective) in waiting till sometime next year, just so the fight can be bigger. I just dont see how that scenario would be better for us fans if we, or should i say "they" waited till then.

                    #1 and 2 guys in the division should fight SOON.. not when they are a year further away from there PRIME.. ALSO


                    WHO SAYS THEY ARE FIGHTING NEXT YEAR? THE *****S..

                    certainly isnt Floyd..

                    Floyd told MArg, if we wait ti will be bigger and better. he hasnt said that to Cotto, he wants no part of COTTO.

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