Best Finishers In Boxing?

[Addison]

I understand what you say.

Roy Jones is way better than Pavlik at those things you are describing, even if he chooses not to do so.

You make it out like Foster, Saddler, Robinson, Moore etc punch so hard that people get knocked out cold if they connect, even if they are still on their feet, while Pavlik does not punch hard enough to render his opposition out on their feet, meaning he's a great finisher since his opponents are still on their feet and needs to be punched again.

It makes no sense because you turn it around to suit your argument.

Ali was a great finisher too.

This is a good post. ^ Shawn, did you duck this?

[!! Shawn]

This is a good post. ^ Shawn, did you duck this?

I have already the Roy Jones comment, and the other points have already been addressed tonight.

People like Ray Robinson did put people out cold, not always with once punch, but a quick combination which for all intents and purposes counts for the same as he doesn't have to break out the can opener.

For example, a triple left hook counts for the same as a single right hand if the outcome is the same.

What is important is that there is a gap between when a fighter is hurt and when he gets put out. Taking a fighter that is not hurt, then putting them out with a single combination, be it 1 punch or a 5 punch combination is the same.

You do not have to finish off a hurt animal.

[tyson]

I have already the Roy Jones comment, and the other points have already been addressed tonight.

People like Ray Robinson did put people out cold, not always with once punch, but a quick combination which for all intents and purposes counts for the same as he doesn't have to break out the can opener.

For example, a triple left hook counts for the same as a single right hand.

He finished the fight quite beautifully against LaMotta in their sixth encounter.
LaMotta wasn't out cold either.

[!! Shawn]

He finished the fight quite beautifully against LaMotta in their sixth encounter.
LaMotta wasn't out cold either.

Not really. That performance is overrated. It was not dominant. It was a pretty even fight with both fighter taking loads of punishment, but LaMotta couldn't punch for **** so at the end of the night, Robinson was able to batter him to the point of stoppage. LaMotta couldn't even lift his arms up any more and it still took Robinson another 2 rounds of pounding him to the face before the ref stepped in.

[tyson]

[QUOTE=!! Shawn;3306639]

Roy Jones could have been a great finisher, but he simply chose not to. You cant give someone credit for something they are not willing to do.

But then again, I think Roy Jones would beat everyone in a p4p match-up.

But finishing is a skill though.

And you perfectly pointed out the angles, footwork, patience etc that Pavlik showed in his finishing.
RJJ did those things better, faster, more fluidly and with real power as well.

He was a finisher for a long part of his career. Until he decided not to.

But Pavlik is a great finisher, there's no question about it.
I'll settle with a disagreement

Forgive me for pushing it, but it was fun

[tyson]

Not really. That performance is overrated. It was not dominant. It was a pretty even fight with both fighter taking loads of punishment, but LaMotta couldn't punch for **** so at the end of the night, Robinson was able to batter him to the point of stoppage. LaMotta couldn't even lift his arms up any more and it still took Robinson another 2 rounds of pounding him to the face before the ref stepped in.

What has dominant to do with the equation?

I thought we were discussing "not letting people off the hook"?

Robinson didn't. He finished just like you've been advocating, no?

[!! Shawn]

[QUOTE=tyson;3306665]

But finishing is a skill though.

And you perfectly pointed out the angles, footwork, patience etc that Pavlik showed in his finishing.
RJJ did those things better, faster, more fluidly and with real power as well.

He was a finisher for a long part of his career. Until he decided not to.

But Pavlik is a great finisher, there's no question about it.
I'll settle with a disagreement

Forgive me for pushing it, but it was fun

I agree that Roy was a great finisher, when he moved in for the kill. I would not be opposed to anyone having him in their top 5, but I reserved positions in my list for people who's style really revolved around their ability to finish.

[!! Shawn]

What has dominant to do with the equation?

I thought we were discussing "not letting people off the hook"?

Robinson didn't. He finished just like you've been advocating, no?

He never had him on the hook in the first place. That is the point I was making. The ref didn't stop the fight because LaMotta was hurt, but because he was taking a beating. Therefore, Ray didn't finish him.

[tyson]

He never had him on the hook in the first place. That is the point I was making. The ref didn't stop the fight because LaMotta was hurt, but because he was taking a beating. Therefore, Ray didn't finish him.

Uh... Ok..

You're talking vodoo again

[!! Shawn]

Uh... Ok..

You're talking vodoo again

I suggest you watch that ending again. It is not nearly as climactic as people remember. Raging Bull really ****ed up peoples memory of that fight. Jake basically didn't throw a punch for 2 rounds, and Ray just hit him again and again and again and when it was obvious that Jake wasn't going anywhere and that Jake wasn't about to start throwing punches any time soon, the ref stopped the fight.