Team Classic has Joe at #2

[joecrappy]

There are already a billion threads where what you're saying has been said and debated. Why did you start a new one?

"OMG ICAN'T BELEEV IT PEEPL LIKE CALZAGHE" PART 755(OF THE DAY)

One more time, just because you're too lazy to read other threads or just cannot absorb something that is written in simple English unless it is repeated ad infinum:

Calzaghe is the one who has beaten the best that there is to offer. Calzaghe is the one that has won the WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC belts in his division.

Pacquiao has not beaten the best on offer. He lost to Morrales and then beat Morales in between the legendary Zahir Raheem and David Diaz doing it. He couldn't beat Marquez the first time either and in my opinion he was the lesser fighter on Saturday night. He now doesn't want a re-match and is presumably waiting until Marquez is a couple of years older, has lost to Zahir Raheem (or some other future HOF member) and is a shot fighter.

Furthermore Manny is leaving super featherweight without facing Guzman or Valero (who has been calling him out for quite a while now). What world titles did he hold at featherweight? None. And he didn't face a Super-featherweight champ other than Marquez. Now you can argue that the alphabet titles are meaningless but the fact is that in most divisions the best fighters hold the belts.

So to be clear Calzaghe=beaten everyone that there is to beat in his division for over 10 years

Pacquiao=lost and drew to the best and has failed to clean up any division he has fought in.

Consistently beaten the best? You really think Barrera or Morales were "the best" when he beat them?

Shut your piehole.

FACT:
Zag has two good fighters he has beaten. Lacy and Kessler. Both were never was's.

FACT:
Pac has
Barrera x2 <--legend
Morales x2 <--legend
Marquez x2 <---near ATG

not to mention solid fighters like larios, solis, and hussein.

[Fox McCloud]

Shut your piehole.

FACT:
Zag has two good fighters he has beaten. Lacy and Kessler. Both were never was's.

FACT:
Pac has
Barrera x2 <--legend
Morales x2 <--legend
Marquez x2 <---near ATG

not to mention solid fighters like larios, solis, and hussein.

So your logic dictates that Mayweather SHOULD fight De La Hoya instead of someone like Margarito, because an old as **** legend who is losing more than winning is a better fight than a never was.

After all, if Kessler is a never was, I can't imagine what horrible label you would attach to Antonio.

I still have Pacquiao ahead of Calzaghe though, but that could easily change after the Hopkins fight.

[kayjay]

That's what needs to be said. It is enjoyable to do and it's interesting to see what people's opinions are based on when it comes to ranking fighters but, it is just that, opinions. Damn there are 116 of you guys?

Nah if Floyd has 116 points, that means he got 8 first place and 4 second place votes. There are like 40 posters who have the password, but many don't post anymore and only 12 submitted lists

Which is evenly balanced out by the enormous amount of credit that you give to each and every white fighter for anything.

Calzaghe #1!

Ridiculous!

Are you talking to me?


If not, address your problem to the relevant poster(s)

[joecrappy]

So your logic dictates that Mayweather SHOULD fight De La Hoya instead of someone like Margarito, because an old as **** legend who is losing more than winning is a better fight than a never was.

After all, if Kessler is a never was, I can't imagine what horrible label you would attach to Antonio.

I still have Pacquiao ahead of Calzaghe though, but that could easily change after the Hopkins fight.

Kessler fought a bunch of no names and scrubs in his hometown.

Lacy fought...uh....Pemberton?

These guys weren't world beaters...just simple titlist.

Manny beat the best and in exciting fashion.

ANd he didn't fight in his home town like a little wussy.

Did i mention he knocked all guys down or out many times in brutal fashion?

Yeah...

[Fox McCloud]

Are you talking to me?


If not, address your problem to the relevant poster(s)

Any suggestions on how to do that more effectively than quoting a poster who is not you?

[Fox McCloud]

Kessler fought a bunch of no names and scrubs in his hometown.

Lacy fought...uh....Pemberton?

These guys weren't world beaters...just simple titlist.

Manny beat the best and in exciting fashion.

ANd he didn't fight in his home town like a little wussy.

Did i mention he knocked all guys down or out many times in brutal fashion?

Yeah...

I guess we'll see when Calzaghe faces an American fighter in Hopkins, since you think Beyer and Mundine are terrible, which kills any credibility Kessler had. That and the fact that you think Eubank and Reid suck as well.

[joecrappy]

Eubank was a very good fighter.

Robin Reid? Who did he ever beat? Solid fighter.....

But compared to the mexicano assassins that he assassinated....

don't come close sonny boy.

Learn your history.

Oh and remind me who Mundine has been fighting the last few years. Please oh please.

[Clegg]

Shut your piehole.

Damn, you showed me, especially the way you didn't address anything I said.

FACT:
Zag has two good fighters he has beaten. Lacy and Kessler. Both were never was's.

Both were world champions and both were predicted by many people to win. Both were at their best, unlike the 3 Mexicans.

FACT:
Pac has
Barrera x2 <--legend
Morales x2 <--legend
Marquez x2 <---near ATG

I already addressed that in my last post. Hopkins and RJJ are legends, but if Joe beat them both you'd say it wasn't as impressive as beating them when they were at their peak. And you'd be right, just like those who say the same about some of Pac's wins.

And Marquez x2? Officially he only beat him once...

not to mention solid fighters like larios, solis, and hussein.

Those guys aren't bums, but I'm not saying Pac hasn't beaten some good fighters, I'm just saying that there are several that he could've faced who were better and that he hasn't "consistently beaten the best" or beaten every top fighter in any of the divisions that he's fought in.

I like Pac, and if you think he's better than Calzaghe then fair enough, but you seem to be overplaying Pac's qualities and underplaying Calzaghe's in my opinion.

[SkillspayBills]

Any suggestions on how to do that more effectively than quoting a poster who is not you?

Lol KJ you have to admit you had a brain fart just now.

[Fox McCloud]

Eubank was a very good fighter.

Robin Reid? Who did he ever beat? Solid fighter.....

But compared to the mexicano assassins that he assassinated....

don't come close sonny boy.

Learn your history.

Oh and remind me who Mundine has been fighting the last few years. Please oh please.

Homeless people.

Anyway, obviously Pacquiao is crushing Calzaghe on a name vs. name basis, but you do have to take into account that the prime fighters Pacquaio fought resulted in a win over Barrera, a draw with Marquez, and a loss to Morales. After that, he has been getting more mileage than he should out of those names.

Also, you know damn well that Reid should have a W over Ottke, so that is the answer to the question of who did he ever beat.