Team Classic has Joe at #2

[SkillspayBills]

Kelly Pavlik number 5? You shuold all off yourselves now, except KJ he's cool.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Calazghe is deservedly p4p #2, and it could be reasonably argued that he is in the first spot! i have him 2nd, preceeded by floyd, and followed by pac.

[kayjay]

Kelly Pavlik number 5? You shuold all off yourselves now, except KJ he's cool.

Thanks skills. I once nominated you for membership. We can't get any Floyd fans in because there's too much accumulated bad blood

[kayjay]

The list that was, until a minute ago, in my sig is not updated. Remember this account was banned for three weeks. In that time three potentially top ten fighters have lost (Marquez, Marquez, Diaz)

[majestiC]

Care to illiterate?

Eubank was only 31, Calzaghe put him on his arse. A prime Robin Reid was a quality fighter, Richie Woodhall was a former WBC Middleweight Champion, Veit was 30-0 when Calzaghe destroyed him, people were expecting Mitchell to knock Joe out.

[SkillspayBills]

Thanks skills. I once nominated you for membership. We can't get any Floyd fans in because there's too much accumulated bad blood

Why thank you man, didn't know you did that. West side story bad blood or college football rivalry bad blood?


Lol I got neg repped because I disagreed with Pavlik number 1. Although he IS top 10, number 5 is VERY high for a fighter that still has much to prove, especially with some of the names on the list. Moreover, to the ******* that DID neg rep me, I have Calzaghe at number 2 as well, fool.

[kayjay]

Why thank you man, didn't know you did that. West side story bad blood or college football rivalry bad blood?


Lol I got neg repped because I disagreed with Pavlik number 1. Although he IS top 10, number 5 is VERY high for a fighter that still has much to prove, especially with some of the names on the list. Moreover, to the ******* that DID neg rep me, I have Calzaghe at number 2 as well, fool.

Oh I know you acknowledge Calzaghe as a #2.


I don't remember where I had Pavlik, I made mine up off the cuff. He's only won two championship fights, and he looks beatable. But at the same time it's hard to come up with a lot of people who are doing better right now.


P4p is hard to decide: you can go on skill level or level of competition/ achievement. You can go with right now or over a span of time (e.g., Hopkins is high b/c of his career achievements, not for what he's done in the past two years).

So it's not to be taken all that seriously

[SkillspayBills]

Oh I know you acknowledge Calzaghe as a #2.


I don't remember where I had Pavlik, I made mine up off the cuff. He's only won two championship fights, and he looks beatable. But at the same time it's hard to come up with a lot of people who are doing better right now.


P4p is hard to decide: you can go on skill level or level of competition/ achievement. You can go with right now or over a span of time (e.g., Hopkins is high b/c of his career achievements, not for what he's done in the past two years).

So it's not to be taken all that seriously

That's what needs to be said. It is enjoyable to do and it's interesting to see what people's opinions are based on when it comes to ranking fighters but, it is just that, opinions. Damn there are 116 of you guys?

[Fox McCloud]

Joe Calzaghe is at least #2 on the p4p list, I have him as #1 ahead of Mayweather on my list.

All the idiots will never give him credit though, since they think he can't possibly be as good as he really is, because he's white.

Which is evenly balanced out by the enormous amount of credit that you give to each and every white fighter for anything.

Calzaghe #1!

Ridiculous!

[Clegg]

yeah and 14 ppl voted for ricky hatton at #1....

your forums a bunch of ******s.

how the **** is zag higher then pac when pac has consistently beaten the best there is too ofer?

how the ****?????

There are already a billion threads where what you're saying has been said and debated. Why did you start a new one?

"OMG ICAN'T BELEEV IT PEEPL LIKE CALZAGHE" PART 755(OF THE DAY)

One more time:

Calzaghe is the one who has beaten the best that there is to offer. Calzaghe is the one that has won the WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC belts in his division.

Pacquiao has not beaten the best on offer. He lost to Morrales and then beat Morales in between the legendary Zahir Raheem and David Diaz doing it. He couldn't beat Marquez the first time either and in my opinion he was the lesser fighter on Saturday night. He now doesn't want a re-match and is presumably waiting until Marquez is a couple of years older, has lost to Zahir Raheem (or some other future HOF member) and is a shot fighter.

Furthermore Manny is leaving super featherweight without facing Guzman or Valero (who has been calling him out for quite a while now). What world titles did he hold at featherweight? None. And he didn't face a Super-featherweight champ other than Marquez. Now you can argue that the alphabet titles are meaningless but the fact is that in most divisions the best fighters hold the belts.

So to be clear Calzaghe=beaten everyone that there is to beat in his division for over 10 years

Pacquiao=lost and drew to the best and has failed to clean up any division he has fought in.

Consistently beaten the best? You really think Barrera or Morales were "the best" when he beat them?