The Roy Jones Debate

[obaioghill]

Toney was/is a classical boxer - Roy was/is so unorthodox I think he would have been tough for Toney at any time at any weight. Jones throws punches at odd angles and is very fast while he is doing it. The weight was perfect for Jones (I think he was at his best at supper middle) and it may have been tough for Toney - but I think that was and is more a conditioning and discipline problem he has. That is part of the game too - you come in with a tough time making weight you are not as good - look what happened to RJJ his own self.

[Silencers]

i know but jus how he lost made it worse for him and he could of fought alot more great fighters to get his legacy better but its to late now i doubt he will be top p4p of all time and he shudnet stil be fighting as it is.

He probably won't be remembered as one of the top Pound for Pound fighters in history because of who he wouldn't or couldn't fight, or who couldn't or wouldn't fight him but his resume still is pretty strong, not as weak as some would have you believe.

He was also a very good fighter and could take a decent punch in his prime, his reflexes were unbelievable, he had the rare blend of speed and power.

[Silencers]

I do get bitter seeing an obviously slowed down Toney get outclassed by Roy. That was not James Toney at his best. The weight was killing him.

The thing is, I don't think it would have mattered. Roy would have always beaten Toney. He could have just moved and pot shotted. Toney has a good jab, but he is at his best when he sets his feet and gets in a rhythm. I just don't see him doing that against Roy.

I agree, Jones would have beaten Toney even if Toney wasn't weight drained. Jones would throw his jab and move to his right to avoid Toney's counters and win a pretty comfortable decision.

[Glouk]

Roy Jones has the worst chin in boxing history, if it wasn't for his steroids abuse he would have lost a lot earlier.

[Dynamite Kid]

What's with this 'they'?


Anyway, 6 rounds with Benn at his best (160 + Galvano) is too many rounds for Jones to escape (though this is fantasy). And Benn would have destroyed a backpedaling Nunn. It doesn't matter how fast you move, Benn in his prime will catch you.

Eubank would have only won the first 4 rounds against Jones.

Hopkins? I hadn't even heard of him until he fought Felix Trinidad.

Eubank had a TERRIFIC stiff jab, a Eubank-Toney fight would 100% depend on whether Toney could read it to avoid and counter because otherwise he would be grinided down.

Nunn, Eubank, Toney and Jones were all excellent boxers and it's just a shame we didn't see them in with eachother more.

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Benn would have had a great chance of beating Nunn cause Nunn left his chin hanging out a lot ,and with Nigel Benn over hand rights & his ability to throw punches blind their is a chance he could of tagged Nunn with a big shot id still favour Nunn in his prime but Benn would have had a great chance against him Stylistically ,i think Benn has a better chance against him than Eubank personally allthough Eubank did have that chopping right hand I just think Nunn would have to much for him ,the jab etc

i think Toney would have made Benn & Eubank Look awfull personally ,if Eubank started leading to Toney he would get the **** countered out of him with the bad technique he had when leading to his oponents ,u would have seen a few shoulder rolls from Toney and then him coming back with that right hand ,i also think he would do a Barkley on Benn aswell

i think Benn style would slightly puzzle Jones for a few rounds but Benn chin would eventually let him down when Jones started hitting him with sharp clean punches

id also give Eubank less chance of beating Jones than Benn aswell based on styles

it might sound strange to say that but it is'nt a coincidence that nearly every Elite fighter has very sound technique with exception of Pacman of coarse ,him being a Southpaw might be a big factor as to why he is allowed to get away with it & the fact that he can pucnh pretty hard

[Glouk]

Roy Jones would have lost to everyone on that list, Roid Jones on the other hand (Roy from pro debut to 2004) would probably have beaten every one of them.

[Orange Sneakers]

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Benn would have had a great chance of beating Nunn cause Nunn left his chin hanging out a lot ,and with Nigel Benn over hand rights & his ability to throw punches blind their is a chance he could of tagged Nunn with a big shot id still favour Nunn in his prime but Benn would have had a great chance against him Stylistically ,i think Benn has a better chance against him than Eubank personally allthough Eubank did have that chopping right hand I just think Nunn would have to much for him ,the jab etc

i think Toney would have made Benn & Eubank Look awfull personally ,if Eubank started leading to Toney he would get the **** countered out of him with the bad technique he had when leading to his oponents ,u would have seen a few shoulder rolls from Toney and then him coming back with that right hand ,i also think he would do a Barkley on Benn aswell

i think Benn style would slightly puzzle Jones for a few rounds but Benn chin would eventually let him down when Jones started hitting him with sharp clean punches

id also give Eubank less chance of beating Jones than Benn aswell based on styles

it might sound strange to say that but it is'nt a coincidence that nearly every Elite fighter has very sound technique with exception of Pacman of coarse ,him being a Southpaw might be a big factor as to why he is allowed to get away with it & the fact that he can pucnh pretty hard

I also think Nunn would have out-pointed Eubank and Toney would have out-pointed and stopped (or knocked out) Benn. No question.

I think Benn would have knocked out Nunn and Eubank would have out-pointed Toney.

[Karlos81]

He had the super-fight with James Toney. But he also missed out on three other super-fights.

Eubank - Jones never had a performance as spectacular as Eubank's against Henry Wharton, until Vinny Pazienza, and Eubank may have started favourite

Gerald McClellan - After Jones-Thomas Tate and McClellan-Julian Jackson II, this would have been super and McClellan may have started favourite

Nigel Benn - After Benn-McClellan, this would have been huge


Eubank - not Jones's fault, Jones made it clear that he wanted Eubank (who didn't want Eubank?) to make himself a real big name and Eubank made it clear he didn't want Jones (to maintain on his throne)

McClellan - Jones didn't want to fight for Don King, but people wanted that fight to grow, too

Benn - Jones didn't want to fight for Don King, but Benn turned down 10 million to fight Jones without King involved


I can't think of anyone else, barring Michael Nunn who he ducked. There were some German light-heavyweights like Graciano Rocchigiani, Henry Maske and Dariusz Michalczewski - but they wouldn't leave Germany if their life depended on it. And there was Steve Collins, who out-priced himself and who nobody was all that interested in, anyway.

Calzaghe said it best in the first fight since Jones got caught using Steroids and Ripped Fuel:

For the first time ive seen Roy Jones look normal.

Remember Steroids helps muscle fatigue and reflexes so a minute round rest for Roy Jones is more like a 15min break for a normal proper honest fighter.